Draft the best player on the board!! - Page 3

**FRCDFED** · 03-19-2005, 03:03 PM

With all the talk about trading our 1st rounder to pick up additional picks I wanted to remind everyone that by drafting higher in round 1 you increase your chances to get a playmaker! Notice I said "increase" and not that it is guaranteed.

We also do not want to include Wesley in a trade for Surtain if it is avoidable. Wesley will beat out Woods for the FS position. I do want Surtain but at the cheapest cost.

With our 1st round pick we need to take the BEST PLAYER ON THE BOARD!! Regardless of position! This draft strategy will allow us to have a playmaker versus the 2nd or 3rd best available position player who we can all sit around on here after three years and bitch about.

We are very critical of Carls draft history but when you look at the good players picked up in the draft (ie TG, LJ) you will notice he selected those who were arguably the best at their position in college and had a solid season leading up to the draft. Now there will be those anomolies such as Simms but Simms didn't come on strong until his senior season and was playing along side Peppers so he should have been considered a risk.

~wants to be GM for a day~

milkman · 03-20-2005, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by CanadaKC

When all is said and done...I really believe we'll pick Carlos Rogers anyways...

I think you are right.

CanadaKC · 03-20-2005, 07:21 PM

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/8307849

Merriman 11th, Rogers 12th

CanadaKC · 03-20-2005, 07:23 PM

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11. Shawne Merriman, DE/LB, Maryland: With six of the top 13 teams either running the 3-4 defense or converting to it this season, Merriman looks like an answer to the OLB pass-rush issues. As one GM said, only two major colleges run the 3-4 defense, so it is always about conjecture when looking for 3-4 players. We know Merriman can do it and with a 4.67 time in the 40-yard dash, an incredible 40-inch vertical jump and weighs in at 274 pounds. He is definitely in the top 16.

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12. Carlos Rogers, CB, Auburn: Rogers is gaining momentum in this draft process and he has all the measurables. As one defensive back coach said, "Any corner over six feet tall who can run the short shuttle in the 3.8 range is exactly what I'm looking for." The fear with big corners is they can't open their hips and change direction. Rogers can do it.

milkman · 03-20-2005, 07:40 PM

So, if we stand still at 15, then between Merriman and Rogers, I'd take Rogers.

And I'm betting that's the player the Chiefs are zeroing in on.

milkman · 03-20-2005, 07:42 PM

Oh, and damn you Cannada, you screwed up the page!

CanadaKC · 03-20-2005, 07:45 PM

how the hell did I do that?

milkman · 03-20-2005, 07:52 PM

Don't ask me.
I only know how to bitch about it.

**FRCDFED** · 03-20-2005, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by CanadaKC

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Just say no to Tweeners like Merriman

this goes straight to the argument...draft the best player available vs. what we need. Merriman is rated among the top 12 in the draft...

Exactly!! If we would've drafted a LB like Henderson or Pierce last season then maybe we would'nt be having these problems now.

So by taking Siavii and K. Wilson last season was CP drafting for position or need?

It boils down to do you take the 4th best CB or the 2nd best LB? Well, if the 4th best CB is still better than the 2nd best LB then the answer is YES!! Because he would be the BAP.

The answer to whether or not I would take one of the top QB's if he were available at 15 is also YES! Don't kid yourselves by thinking Trent Green is going to be around much longer. Also don't kid yourselves that our offense is limited on stretching the defense with Trent at the helm. Remember a couple of seasons ago when he threw all those int's because Kennison kept outrunning the deep throws? The following season AS changed to offense to hide Trents weeknesses. It is not a secret that Trent does not have the arm strength to stretch the defense. He is very efficient in the current offensive scheme which fits him well.

The best way to make up for a lack of arm strength at the QB position is to have a WR that can run well "after the catch." So YES, I would take a WR if he is the BAP!!

CoMoChief · 03-21-2005, 02:22 AM

Derrick Johnson is by far the best def player in the draft. He stands out the most and has incredible physical ability.

Gaz · 03-21-2005, 08:24 AM

A lot depends on what happens in FA:
• Do we get a veteran OLB?
• Does Hartwell take the offer on the table?
• Do we get a veteran CB to pair with Surtain?

_OFFENSE:
We should not draft RB, QB, TE, OG or C in the 1st Round.

WR is often mentioned. However, we have a lot of young WRs on the roster, so I would not go WR, even after Morton is released. Not a viable option, IMO.

FB. We actually could use a FB, since Richardson is getting up there and Easy has been a disappointment. Besides, the Planet implosion would be fun to watch. A viable option, but an unpopular one, given our dismal D.

_DEFENSE:
We should not draft DT or S in the 1st Round. We are stocked at those positions.

DE. I would like to have an upgrade over Hicks, but he appears to be bulletproof. We already have a good pass-rusher in Allen. Any draft DE would only take time away from Allen. I do not see the value there, although my crusty old Defense Homer wants a CB-Crusher. If there is a sudden end to the Hicks love, this would be viable, but at the moment it is not. Sorry.

OLB. Definitely worth a look. No, we are not going to get Johnson, but we need more meat at the OLB position. I think we really need to obtain a solid OLB via FA. Even after that happens, we need more OLB help. We can hope that Fox or Caver grow into a job or we can draft for the position. A viable option in the 1st Round.

MLB. Bell was a great pick-up, but we are thin behind him. We have to hope than Mitchell can learn the position behind Bell. Mitchell has the athletic bits, but appears to be missing some of the gray bits. This would be drafting for depth, which renders it unviable this season, IMO.

CB. I am assuming that we will eventually trade a pick [or picks] for Surtain, probably right before the draft. That gives us [2] starters and Sapp at the nickel. Risky, to say the least. If we do not pick up a second-tier CB in FA, the 1st Rounder has to go for a CB.

So, I must disagree with the “any position” approach. FB [heh], OLB and CB are the viable candidates. As much as I would like to add DE, I just do not see Hicks falling out of favor.

xoxo~
Gaz
Still enjoying the image of the Planet after a FB pick at #15.

Coogs · 03-21-2005, 09:01 AM

Gaz,

What if that "safety" is the best OLB available, which may be the case with Thomas Davis?

Gaz · 03-21-2005, 09:05 AM

No more tweeners, says I.

xoxo~
Gaz
Tweened to the gills.

Coogs · 03-21-2005, 09:12 AM

Not sure he is a "tweener". He is more of a football player who can play 2 spots very well.

Gaz · 03-21-2005, 09:15 AM

I want a guy who has played the position for years and has developed the instincts for the position. I do not think that is possible when you switch-hit.

JMO, of course.

xoxo~
Gaz
Picky.

Chiefnj · 03-21-2005, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

Not sure he is a "tweener". He is more of a football player who can play 2 spots very well.

Merriman is a tweener similar to how Suggs was a tweener a few years ago. That's the type of tweener to sign. Probably a better fit for a 3-4, but he has the makings of being a really good player. He'll be off the board by 20.

03-19-2005, 03:03 PM
FRCDFED Line'em up Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: somewhere out there Casino cash: $9326297	Draft the best player on the board!! With all the talk about trading our 1st rounder to pick up additional picks I wanted to remind everyone that by drafting higher in round 1 you increase your chances to get a playmaker! Notice I said "increase" and not that it is guaranteed. We also do not want to include Wesley in a trade for Surtain if it is avoidable. Wesley will beat out Woods for the FS position. I do want Surtain but at the cheapest cost. With our 1st round pick we need to take the BEST PLAYER ON THE BOARD!! Regardless of position! This draft strategy will allow us to have a playmaker versus the 2nd or 3rd best available position player who we can all sit around on here after three years and bitch about. We are very critical of Carls draft history but when you look at the good players picked up in the draft (ie TG, LJ) you will notice he selected those who were arguably the best at their position in college and had a solid season leading up to the draft. Now there will be those anomolies such as Simms but Simms didn't come on strong until his senior season and was playing along side Peppers so he should have been considered a risk. ~wants to be GM for a day~
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03-20-2005, 07:21 PM	#32
CanadaKC Lord of the SB Rings Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Vancouver, B.C. Canada Casino cash: $6628668	Kirwan makes some great points... http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/8307849 Merriman 11th, Rogers 12th
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03-20-2005, 07:40 PM	#34
milkman Dumbass! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Leading the Marty bashing Casino cash: $10029395	So, if we stand still at 15, then between Merriman and Rogers, I'd take Rogers. And I'm betting that's the player the Chiefs are zeroing in on. __________________
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milkman Dumbass! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Leading the Marty bashing Casino cash: $10029395	Oh, and damn you Cannada, you screwed up the page! __________________
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03-20-2005, 07:45 PM	#36
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03-21-2005, 02:22 AM	#39
CoMoChief Mahomes Dynasty Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Parts Unknown Casino cash: $8052254	Derrick Johnson is by far the best def player in the draft. He stands out the most and has incredible physical ability.
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03-21-2005, 08:24 AM	#40
Gaz Defense Homer Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Rancho Gaz Casino cash: $10010793	A brief [well, as brief as any Gaz post] analysis... A lot depends on what happens in FA: • Do we get a veteran OLB? • Does Hartwell take the offer on the table? • Do we get a veteran CB to pair with Surtain? _OFFENSE: We should not draft RB, QB, TE, OG or C in the 1st Round. WR is often mentioned. However, we have a lot of young WRs on the roster, so I would not go WR, even after Morton is released. Not a viable option, IMO. FB. We actually could use a FB, since Richardson is getting up there and Easy has been a disappointment. Besides, the Planet implosion would be fun to watch. A viable option, but an unpopular one, given our dismal D. _DEFENSE: We should not draft DT or S in the 1st Round. We are stocked at those positions. DE. I would like to have an upgrade over Hicks, but he appears to be bulletproof. We already have a good pass-rusher in Allen. Any draft DE would only take time away from Allen. I do not see the value there, although my crusty old Defense Homer wants a CB-Crusher. If there is a sudden end to the Hicks love, this would be viable, but at the moment it is not. Sorry. OLB. Definitely worth a look. No, we are not going to get Johnson, but we need more meat at the OLB position. I think we really need to obtain a solid OLB via FA. Even after that happens, we need more OLB help. We can hope that Fox or Caver grow into a job or we can draft for the position. A viable option in the 1st Round. MLB. Bell was a great pick-up, but we are thin behind him. We have to hope than Mitchell can learn the position behind Bell. Mitchell has the athletic bits, but appears to be missing some of the gray bits. This would be drafting for depth, which renders it unviable this season, IMO. CB. I am assuming that we will eventually trade a pick [or picks] for Surtain, probably right before the draft. That gives us [2] starters and Sapp at the nickel. Risky, to say the least. If we do not pick up a second-tier CB in FA, the 1st Rounder has to go for a CB. So, I must disagree with the “any position” approach. FB [heh], OLB and CB are the viable candidates. As much as I would like to add DE, I just do not see Hicks falling out of favor. xoxo~ Gaz Still enjoying the image of the Planet after a FB pick at #15.
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03-21-2005, 09:01 AM	#41
Coogs In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Northern Kansas Casino cash: $1644349	Gaz, What if that "safety" is the best OLB available, which may be the case with Thomas Davis?
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03-21-2005, 09:05 AM	#42
Gaz Defense Homer Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Rancho Gaz Casino cash: $10010793	Coogs- No more tweeners, says I. xoxo~ Gaz Tweened to the gills.
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03-21-2005, 09:12 AM	#43
Coogs In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Northern Kansas Casino cash: $1644349	Not sure he is a "tweener". He is more of a football player who can play 2 spots very well.
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03-21-2005, 09:15 AM	#44
Gaz Defense Homer Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Rancho Gaz Casino cash: $10010793	Gimme a full-time OLB... I want a guy who has played the position for years and has developed the instincts for the position. I do not think that is possible when you switch-hit. JMO, of course. xoxo~ Gaz Picky.
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