Chiefs Ok so I'm curious if this scenario happens - Page 2

chiefscafan · 03-02-2013, 12:58 PM

What if Oakland wants geno but jets , buffalo, and cardinals want him.

Those who know draft compensation what could we realistically get for trading down.

Direckshun · 03-02-2013, 01:44 PM

To actually answer the OP:

We'll need to basically swap 1sts, get their 1st next year, and their 2nd this year.

If we get anything other than that, we're gravy.

That doesn't sound like a lot, but truth be told, the Chiefs really need to trade down, teams don't particularly value the #1 that much this year, and the talent gap between, say, pick 1 and pick 7 isn't that great.

If the Chiefs want to trade down, they need to offer a bargain. Because that's the only way this is happening.

philfree · 03-02-2013, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Indignayshun

To actually answer the OP:

We'll need to basically swap 1sts, get their 1st next year, and their 2nd this year.

If we get anything other than that, we're gravy.

That doesn't sound like a lot, but truth be told, the Chiefs really need to trade down, teams don't particularly value the #1 that much this year, and the talent gap between, say, pick 1 and pick 7 isn't that great.

If the Chiefs want to trade down, they need to offer a bargain. Because that's the only way this is happening.

I don't believe this is so. In the end QBs rule and the best QB in the draft is a commodity and if a team wants to guarantee his services then they need the 1st pick in the draft. And that shit ain't cheap. I'm not saying we should try and overcharge I'm just saying that the 1st pick in the draft has plenty of value if other teams are wanting Geno Smith.

Direckshun · 03-02-2013, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Tattoo

I agree with Mr.Flopnuts Jags are the team that could score a deal to move back. Teams know we wont draft a QB and are lame ducks with picking LT Jackoff (sp)

People forget the Jags have a new head coach who has no loyalty to Gabbert.

B14ckmon · 03-02-2013, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Indignayshun

People forget the Jags have a new head coach who has no loyalty to Gabbert.

And a new GM who was helping Dimitroff when they took Matt Ryan

Direckshun · 03-02-2013, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by B14ckmon

And a new GM who was helping Dimitroff when they took Matt Ryan

Yup.

The Jags are also openly saying they want to build around Gabbert, which is a sign as well.

The Jags probably want a QB. I don't know if that means they won't take one, but it does mean they won't be looking to trade down.

In which case, the cheese stands alone at the top of the draft if you're looking for a trade partner.

B14ckmon · 03-02-2013, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Indignayshun

Yup.

The Jags are also openly saying they want to build around Gabbert, which is a sign as well.

The Jags probably want a QB. I don't know if that means they won't take one, but it does mean they won't be looking to trade down.

In which case, the cheese stands alone at the top of the draft if you're looking for a trade partner.

If the Chiefs are going to trade down, it's going to be with a team who wants Joeckel. But I don't see Reid passing up on him, especially if it's further enough down to where they could also miss on Fisher.

philfree · 03-02-2013, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Indignayshun

People forget the Jags have a new head coach who has no loyalty to Gabbert.

That's right so if a team wants G. Smith they have to get to #1.

After the disappointment of apparently not going with Geno a good draft could help sooth some of that. The 1st step to that is moving that 1st pick so we get back into the 2nd round this year and netting a 1st next year and hopefully more then that. After that we have to nail our picks. None the less this is where I'm at in the 2013 offseason. If we're not taking Geno then we must get that trade done.

philfree · 03-02-2013, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by B14ckmon

If the Chiefs are going to trade down, it's going to be with a team who wants Joeckel. But I don't see Reid passing up on him, especially if it's further enough down to where they could also miss on Fisher.

You keep telling yourself that.

B14ckmon · 03-02-2013, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by philfree

That's right so if a team wants G. Smith they have to get to #1.

After the disappointment of apparently not going with Geno a good draft could help sooth some of that. The 1st step to that is moving that 1st pick so we get back into the 2nd round this year and netting a 1st next year and hopefully more then that. After that we have to nail our picks. None the less this is where I'm at in the 2013 offseason. If we're not taking Geno then we must get that trade done.

...There is 0 chance the Chiefs are taking Geno. And everyone knows it.

patteeu · 03-02-2013, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Indignayshun

To actually answer the OP:

We'll need to basically swap 1sts, get their 1st next year, and their 2nd this year.

If we get anything other than that, we're gravy.

That doesn't sound like a lot, but truth be told, the Chiefs really need to trade down, teams don't particularly value the #1 that much this year, and the talent gap between, say, pick 1 and pick 7 isn't that great.

If the Chiefs want to trade down, they need to offer a bargain. Because that's the only way this is happening.

If it's the Raiders (3) or Philadelphia (4), I think I'd be willing to take even less than that. Maybe a swap of 1sts along with 2nds from this year and next. Of course, I'd try to get more, but in the end, I'd settle for that. I agree with you that they'll need to do it at a discount rate.

philfree · 03-02-2013, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by B14ckmon

...There is 0 chance the Chiefs are taking Geno. And everyone knows it.

Well aren't you a daisey!

melbar · 03-02-2013, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Indignayshun

People forget the Jags have a new head coach who has no loyalty to Gabbert.

As long as there's a chance the Jags want a QB you have to jump them. The deal would depend on how far down you go. Any deal should involve next years 1 and a swap of 1's for this year base package. Extra picks depend on how far down IMO...

patteeu · 03-02-2013, 02:21 PM

If anyone in the NFL liked Geno Smith as much as most of the more vocal ChiefsPlanet draft experts, we could get a Ditka-like haul.

Direckshun · 03-02-2013, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by patteeu

If it's the Raiders (3) or Philadelphia (4), I think I'd be willing to take even less than that. Maybe a swap of 1sts along with 2nds from this year and next. Of course, I'd try to get more, but in the end, I'd settle for that. I agree with you that they'll need to do it at a discount rate.

Right. Good point.

Honestly, now that Geno's out of consideration, absolutely any player we want at 1 will be there at 4. Replacing our 2nds from the Alex Smith trade would probably be enough for me as well. That would mean, essentially, we traded Alex Smith for Geno Smith.

I say 4, because there's simply no chance that KC and Oakland pull off a trade.

B14ckmon · 03-02-2013, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Right. Good point.

Honestly, now that Geno's out of consideration, absolutely any player we want at 1 will be there at 4.

I say 4, because there's simply no chance that KC and Oakland pull off a trade.

I don't think Joeckel will be there at 4. I could see the Eagles going with him, or Dion Jordan. No idea about the raiders.

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Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4453447	To actually answer the OP: We'll need to basically swap 1sts, get their 1st next year, and their 2nd this year. If we get anything other than that, we're gravy. That doesn't sound like a lot, but truth be told, the Chiefs really need to trade down, teams don't particularly value the #1 that much this year, and the talent gap between, say, pick 1 and pick 7 isn't that great. If the Chiefs want to trade down, they need to offer a bargain. Because that's the only way this is happening.
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