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View Poll Results: Does Trump really want the wall?
Yes, he really wants it. 7 28.00%
No, he's just wants the fight. 8 32.00%
He wants both the wall and the fight. 9 36.00%
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Old 12-12-2018, 01:41 PM  
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Does Trump Really Want "The Wall"?

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https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...se-immigration

Trump doesn’t want the wall. He wants a fight about the wall.

If Trump really wanted the wall he’d make a deal to get it.

What became clear in Tuesday’s Oval Office fiasco is that President Donald Trump doesn’t want the wall.

As my colleague Tara Golshan writes, the difference between the $1.3 billion in wall funding Trump has and the $5 billion in wall funding Trump wants is $3.7 billion — peanuts in the context of the $4 trillion federal budget. There’s plenty Trump could offer House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer in return. Trump is, after all, the great dealmaker.

But Trump’s offer is, well, nothing. Rather than invite Pelosi and Schumer for a private negotiation, Trump asked them to the Oval Office for a public showdown in front of live cameras. “It’s called transparency,” Trump said. But it’s not transparency. It’s posturing.

This comes even clearer when you consider the wall’s true costs. The $5 billion in funding Trump is demanding isn’t actually enough to build the wall. Estimates of the total cost range from about $20 billion to $70 billion. Securing funding at either level would require a much bigger deal, with much more significant concessions from Trump.

But Trump isn’t offering a deal, and he isn’t constructing the kind of process where anyone might offer him a deal. Instead, he’s looking for a photo op. He’s looking for a clip of himself he can see played, and praised, on Fox & Friends.

Trump has a tendency to view his presidency as a reality television show where what’s important are storylines, confrontations, and plot twists. What he made yesterday was good television. But good television is about the fight, not the deal. The deal happens behind closed doors, it requires giving things up and seeing the other side’s perspective.

The deal often hurts. It often disappoints some of your supporters. The reason politicians make deals, though, is that they care about the thing they’re trying to get done. They care about it enough to give up something of value in order to get it.

Trump doesn’t care enough about the wall to give up anything in order to get it. He didn’t care enough when Democrats offered to fund the wall if Trump would protect DREAMers, and he doesn’t care enough now.

If Trump can get the wall by winning a public showdown, he’d love that. But it’s the winning, not the wall, that drives him. It’s showing his supporters he’s fighting for them that powers his presidency, not actually getting anything done. Tuesday’s Oval Office meeting was meant to give Trump what he at least thinks he wants — not the wall, but a fight over the wall.

According to the LA Times White House report Eli Stokol, however, Trump didn’t like what he ultimately got. He stormed out of the meeting with Schumer and Pelosi and threw a package of briefing papers across the room in frustration. So perhaps he’ll reconsider.
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Old 12-12-2018, 01:44 PM   #2
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He’s had multiple chances to get the wall and he’s passed. Someone said he “can’t take yes for an answer”


But it’s time to de-bunk a popular left wing lie: “It was never gonna happen! You are dupes for believing it could, durr durr!” As Vox points out, it absolutely WAS AN OPTION.



So we see left wing dissonance yet again. He just doesn’t want it, AND it was never possible anyway.
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Old 12-12-2018, 01:45 PM   #3
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The Wall is nothing but a political ploy to string his supporters along for 8 years. No wall will get built. Nothing but talk and propaganda to keep his base from straying.

No different than what Obama did regarding immigration. Just strung hispanics along with hope for action that resulted in not much of anything.
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Old 12-12-2018, 01:45 PM   #4
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lol of course he doesn't care about the wall, he just wants to keep his rubes riled up.

I dunno how many times lucy is gonna need to pull away the football before you idiots catch on.
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Old 12-12-2018, 01:47 PM   #5
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He’s had multiple chances to get the wall and he’s passed. Someone said he “can’t take yes for an answer”


But it’s time to de-bunk a popular left wing lie: “It was never gonna happen! You are dupes for believing it could, durr durr!” As Vox points out, it absolutely WAS AN OPTION.



So we see left wing dissonance yet again. He just doesn’t want it, AND it was never possible anyway.
lol, you really can fool some of the people all of the time. There’s never going to be a wall. Can’t happen. Won’t happen.
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Old 12-12-2018, 01:50 PM   #6
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He’s had multiple chances to get the wall and he’s passed. Someone said he “can’t take yes for an answer”


But it’s time to de-bunk a popular left wing lie: “It was never gonna happen! You are dupes for believing it could, durr durr!” As Vox points out, it absolutely WAS AN OPTION.



So we see left wing dissonance yet again. He just doesn’t want it, AND it was never possible anyway.
Sure, a wall COULD be built if a deal was done. But the deal would be nothing that you or your merry band of racists would like. So if you're all for permanent DACA and more, then by all means lets build a wall.
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Old 12-12-2018, 02:03 PM   #7
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lol, you really can fool some of the people all of the time. There’s never going to be a wall. Can’t happen. Won’t happen.
So the Vox writer here is lying? Ok. We will mark you down as “never was gonna happen” crowd.
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lol of course he doesn't care about the wall, he just wants to keep his rubes riled up.

I dunno how many times lucy is gonna need to pull away the football before you idiots catch on.
Probably the same amount of times that the "we got trump now, shoes are gonna drop" Lucy will have to pull the football out for you idiots to catch on.
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Not until second term.

I don’t want it til then. He needs to use it in his re-election speeches.


Dems preventing the safety of Americans.
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Not until second term.

I don’t want it til then. He needs to use it in his re-election speeches.


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Oh don't worry. He will. And after his 2nd term you still won't have a wall. Have no fear, he still has that hook in your mouth with no plans to release you back into the water.
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Not until second term.

I don’t want it til then. He needs to use it in his re-election speeches.


Dems preventing the safety of Americans.

Um, dude? Did you not just see the Midterm result? He already tried your strategy and it failed. Doing it again seems awfully stupid.
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The Wall is nothing but a political ploy to string his supporters along for 8 years. No wall will get built. Nothing but talk and propaganda to keep his base from straying.

No different than what Obama did regarding immigration. Just strung hispanics along with hope for action that resulted in not much of anything.
I don't know if you would consider me a Trump supporter or not. I consider myself generally a supporter. But am far from a "Trumper" so to speak. And I am a fiscal conservative to the core that sees no use for an actual wall. With that said, he is towing a very dangerous line if he is counting on my vote in 2020. The wall was a campaign promise and I tend to hold politicians accountable for their promises. Plus his bump stock stance has me in very uneasy territory (but that's for another thread)

Long story short, if the wall is a proverbial carrot on a string, he is in fact a very, very stupid man. If he doesn't make real progress on an actual, physical wall, he doesn't win re-election. Straight to the point, quote me for future reference.
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Probably the same amount of times that the "we got trump now, shoes are gonna drop" Lucy will have to pull the football out for you idiots to catch on.
Hell of a day to say that. Tell that to Michael Cohen
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Oh don't worry. He will. And after his 2nd term you still won't have a wall. Have no fear, he still has that hook in your mouth with no plans to release you back into the water.
Okay sounds good
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No, I don't think so. And that's a good thing.

Its just a stupid symbol. I support tough immigration policy. But not if it's pissing this money away when there are far better ways to secure the border.

Fix immigration policy first. Stop spending like a ****ing drunk. Then maybe you can start talking about walls.
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