Movies and TV The Official "Lost" the series discussion - Page 379

Deberg_1990 · 10-06-2004, 04:29 PM

I figured I would start a thread for this and see what happens....there seemed to be quite a few viewers on the board for this show the past few weeks.....I like the direction the show is taking so far......episode 3 tonight at 7 central on ABC....

KingPriest2 · 05-24-2010, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Plow

Just watched it a 2nd time. It's was almost better this time around.

My question to Dane, since he seems to feel fairly strongly about the "Everyone died during the crash" theory. I'll say, initially, I had the same thought. Mainly because of Jack essentially dieing in the same place and the same way that he woke up on the island. My question is, if this was all a dream, why the need for Ben to apologize to John at the end for what he had done to him? Just seems to me that if this were a dream by Jack, scenes like that wouldn't be necessary. Probably a dumb question, but wanted to see what you thought.

ON top of that Darlton said that everything that happened on the island was real that it happened Whatever happened happened.

So with that being stated for the 5th time IT WAS NOT A DREAM

**DaneMcCloud** · 05-24-2010, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by KingPriest2

I agree with you. Hes afraid to answer my question I have asked him 3 times now

So Dane for the FOURTH time Darlton said that everything that happened on the island was real What happened happened. Why not believe them?

I'm not afraid to answer anything. WTH?

There is absolutely NO reason to believe any information given by Carlton Cuse or Damon Lindelof. None, whatsoever.

1. The Island isn't purgatory (Well, yes it was).
2. Walt is important (no, he wasn't).
3. Aaron is important (no, he wasn't).
4. The Island is actually an island (no it wasn't).

And on and on and on.

You're free to believe whatever you so choose.

Silock · 05-24-2010, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

And despite what some people are suggesting, all of the passengers on flight 815 were dead.

The end credits where they show the wreckage with absolutely no sign of life prove it.

That might *support* the theory, but I don't think it *proves it*.

**DaneMcCloud** · 05-24-2010, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by KingPriest2

ON top of that Darlton said that everything that happened on the island was real that it happened Whatever happened happened.

So with that being stated for the 5th time IT WAS NOT A DREAM

Who said anything about a dream? JFC, chill the **** out.

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

There are two ways to look at this, IMO:

1. Take the show at face value. The Smoke Monster, the Egyptians, Jacob, his mother, flash backs, flash forwards, flash sideways - all of it. Each character is earning his or her redemption, allowing them to pass on to the next world but they're all waiting until Jack's journey is completed. Once that's happened, they all move on to heaven, Nirvana, etc.

2. Everyone died on Flight 815. Jack has a flash just before death, in which he creates this entire epic world in which he's the hero and goes from a man of science to a man of faith. Once that journey's complete in his mind, he dies and goes to heaven.

Personally, I see it as Number Two but as I've said repeatedly throughout this thread (and personally apologizing for offending anyone), that's MY interpretation only.

I'm not trying to convince anyone.

Silock · 05-24-2010, 07:59 PM

Oh, and I just now got to watch it. I'm disappointed. I get it that they wanted it to be a character-driven show, and it was. That's fine with me. But what pisses me off is that you don't bring up all of these questions about Dharma, the numbers, fertility, polar bears, etc., make them the focus of the show for 2-3 seasons, and then ultimately say "It doesn't matter; spend time with your loved ones." That's lame and it's a cop-out.

They KNEW that what was driving a lot of people to watch wasn't ONLY the characters. People were ALWAYS asking questions about what all the science-shit meant, and to just leave it all unanswered is lazy writing. If you're ultimately going to dismiss the questions, you should never bring them up in the first place. But then, they, as writers, knew that they wouldn't have been able to keep people watching without weaving these elaborate time-travelling questions into the storyline because it wasn't strong enough on a pure-character basis.

It was a good episode, and I liked it from the character standpoint, but leaving huge, gaping holes in the storyline sucks. Many of the questions were central to the development of some of the characters, like Juliet and why all the women on the island died during childbirth, or Ben and moving the island with a giant wheel and ending up in the desert. Good episode, bad finale.

KingPriest2 · 05-24-2010, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I'm not afraid to answer anything. WTH?

There is absolutely NO reason to believe any information given by Carlton Cuse or Damon Lindelof. None, whatsoever.

1. The Island isn't purgatory (Well, yes it was).
2. Walt is important (no, he wasn't).
3. Aaron is important (no, he wasn't).
4. The Island is actually an island (no it wasn't).

And on and on and on.

You're free to believe whatever you so choose.

They are still saying it was real

1 The island is not purgatory never was because it was real

2. He was important

3. He was part of the story made Kate a "mom"

4. Yes it is island

**DaneMcCloud** · 05-24-2010, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by KingPriest2

They are still saying it was real

1 The island is not purgatory never was because it was real

2. He was important

3. He was part of the story made Kate a "mom"

4. Yes it is island

I'm sorry, but I fully disagree.

Kate was a "never" a mom because Aaron was never born. Neither was Sun & Jin's baby.

The Dead can't procreate.

You're not taking into account every facet of the show, from beginning to end. You're basing your conclusions on a few things said in the final few episodes.

You can either choose to dig deeper and re-examine your beliefs. Or not.

Either way, it's of no consequence to me.

**DaneMcCloud** · 05-24-2010, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Silock

That might *support* the theory, but I don't think it *proves it*.

The fact that the children weren't included in the final scene is also telling.

As I stated in the previous post, the Dead can't procreate or have children.

Silock · 05-24-2010, 08:14 PM

So, what about the footprints around the plane?

**DaneMcCloud** · 05-24-2010, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Cankerskull

So the footprints in the sand and piles of clothes were not signs of life? And where were the bodies of the other people on the plane? If they were showing a plane crash where everyone died, you'd think they would have, oh I don't know, shown some dead people.

No.

The plane broke up over the Indian Ocean. Everyone was strapped in. There would be no survivors to wash upon a shore, anyway.

They'd all be dead at the bottom of the ocean.

And those footprints weren't necessarily human footprints and there are absolutely no signs of life around the engine debris.

**DaneMcCloud** · 05-24-2010, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Silock

So, what about the footprints around the plane?

I don't think they were human. Animal or whatnot.

I think the final scene was to illustrate that the plane did indeed crash and there were no survivors.

tk13 · 05-24-2010, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I think the final scene was to illustrate that the plane did indeed crash and there were no survivors.

I have to admit, that's how I originally interpreted it. But I don't watch the show nearly enough to have an educated opinion.

**007** · 05-24-2010, 08:29 PM

I can't wait to see how long this thread is kept alive now. I bet it never dies.

**KcMizzou** · 05-24-2010, 08:31 PM

So, the series is all wrapped up, and still... nobody really knows WTF was going on...

I'm not trying to be a troll, I know it's a very entertaining (intriguing) show. I was hooked for two seasons or so.

But in the end, nobody's sure what they spent six seasons watching?

patteeu · 05-24-2010, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Nah dude, it's all good and I apologize to you for offending you or your sensibilities.

I'm offended now that you're getting all squishy and apologetic.

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Silock MVP Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Overland Park Casino cash: $10020882	Oh, and I just now got to watch it. I'm disappointed. I get it that they wanted it to be a character-driven show, and it was. That's fine with me. But what pisses me off is that you don't bring up all of these questions about Dharma, the numbers, fertility, polar bears, etc., make them the focus of the show for 2-3 seasons, and then ultimately say "It doesn't matter; spend time with your loved ones." That's lame and it's a cop-out. They KNEW that what was driving a lot of people to watch wasn't ONLY the characters. People were ALWAYS asking questions about what all the science-shit meant, and to just leave it all unanswered is lazy writing. If you're ultimately going to dismiss the questions, you should never bring them up in the first place. But then, they, as writers, knew that they wouldn't have been able to keep people watching without weaving these elaborate time-travelling questions into the storyline because it wasn't strong enough on a pure-character basis. It was a good episode, and I liked it from the character standpoint, but leaving huge, gaping holes in the storyline sucks. Many of the questions were central to the development of some of the characters, like Juliet and why all the women on the island died during childbirth, or Ben and moving the island with a giant wheel and ending up in the desert. Good episode, bad finale.
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05-24-2010, 08:31 PM	#5684
KcMizzou Supporter Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Parkville MO Casino cash: $10005170	So, the series is all wrapped up, and still... nobody really knows WTF was going on... I'm not trying to be a troll, I know it's a very entertaining (intriguing) show. I was hooked for two seasons or so. But in the end, nobody's sure what they spent six seasons watching?
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