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RunKC · 02-16-2013, 05:29 PM

No clear quarterback choice for Chiefs in the draft
By ADAM TEICHER
Kansas City Star
Published Saturday, Feb. 16, 2013, at 3:36 p.m.
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Pros and cons
Matt Barkley, 6-2, 230, USC: Superb leadership skills, the first one at practice or meetings and the last one to leave. But his arm strength is suspect. May be a system fit.

Mike Glennon, 6-7, 220, North Carolina State: Strong arm. He’s easily able to make all the necessary throws. But a lack of mobility could be a problem against a strong pass rush.

Ryan Nassib, 6-2, 225, Syracuse: Good mobility and throws well on the run. But he’s a late-bloomer who might need more seasoning before he’s ready for the NFL.

Geno Smith, 6-3, 210, West Virginia: Has best ability of all the top prospects. Was durable in college, but he’s not an imposing specimen. So how will he hold up in the NFL?

Tyler Wilson, 6-2, 220, Arkansas: Will stand in and take a hit but still make an accurate throw. But he’s short for an ideal NFL quarterback and has small hands, which could lead to fumbling problems.

KANSAS CITY, Mo. — The Chiefs spent the last several days setting their draft board in preparation for this week’s NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis. The process merely confirmed for new general manager John Dorsey that when it comes to quarterbacks, their homework is only starting.

Opinions on the top available quarterbacks in this year’s draft are that varied.

“There is no quarterback where personnel guys can definitely say, ‘He’s a first-round pick,’ ” Dorsey said. “There were so many inconsistencies in the collective group. There was not one guy that stood up and said, ‘I’m the guy in the position this year.’ There really wasn’t one clear-cut guy.

“There are too many technical flaws, scheme flaws. There are so many different variables that there are a lot of people all over the place on naming the top four or five guys and who those guys would be.”

The Chiefs aren’t the only team having trouble sorting through the top quarterback prospects. From the natural ability of West Virginia’s Geno Smith to the smooth leadership skills of USC’s Matt Barkley to the willingness to take a hit in the face of a strong pass rush of Arkansas’ Tyler Wilson, there are plenty of things to like.

There are reasons to pause just the same. Smith faltered late last fall against better competition. Barkley and Wilson had disappointing, injury-marred senior seasons.

This is a particular problem for teams like the Chiefs, who have a gaping need at quarterback. Dorsey didn’t say so specifically, but he didn’t sound like the Chiefs were planning to take a quarterback with the first pick in this year’s draft.

More likely, the Chiefs will select a quarterback later in the draft — if they take one at all.

Dorsey said both he and coach Andy Reid would be in attendance at the workouts of most, if not all, of the top available quarterbacks.

“I think Andy is a really good evaluator of quarterbacks,” Dorsey said. “I want him and I to go to as many quarterback workouts as possible and actually set our own up.”

The quarterback rankings for last year’s draft were determined almost a year in advance. Stanford’s Andrew Luck was a consensus choice to be the top player selected as soon as the 2011 draft was finished. Baylor’s Robert Griffin III came on as a senior to win the Heisman Trophy and make the race interesting, but in the end, Luck was selected first by Indianapolis. Griffin was taken with the next pick by Washington.

“Last year was an easy evaluation,” draft analyst Mel Kiper said. “Automatically, you put Andrew Luck and RG III up there.”

This year, quarterback ratings are scattered. Some teams like Smith, but others have different favorites, like Barkley, Wilson, North Carolina State’s Mike Glennon or Syracuse’s Ryan Nassib.

“The year didn’t go the way Barkley and the USC Trojans hoped,” Kiper said. “He began the year number one on my big board. You saw what happened with USC. They lost four games with Barkley at quarterback and lost a couple more when he was hurt. They didn’t have a signature win all year. They dropped down the rankings from number one and he dropped down the rankings from number one.

“Geno Smith started out great. It looked like after Barkley struggled you could lock Geno Smith in. Then he has a disappointing second half of the season, so there are issues in terms of what type of starting quarterback he can be. Glennon was hot for a while even though he had a subpar supporting cast, and he didn’t play great (in the bowl game) against Vanderbilt and didn’t have a wow-you-over Senior Bowl week.

“Things didn’t fall into place at Arkansas, and that affected Tyler Wilson. The wheels came off for all the quarterbacks at some point (last) year. Things just didn’t fall right to allow them to maximize their ability. That’s why the teams are right now in the predicament they are, trying to figure this whole quarterback thing out and not overdraft or push a guy up when he’s not deserving.”

Kiper doesn’t have a quarterback rated among his top 25 players. In fact, in his latest mock draft, Kiper doesn’t have a single quarterback being selected in the first round.

“It’s just a tough evaluation, trying to figure out which quarterbacks in this draft, if any, will be great starting quarterbacks,” he said.

Dorsey said he expects at least two quarterbacks to be drafted in the first round because so many teams have a need. It’s a matter, though, of which ones.

Things could solidify in the next couple of months. The draft doesn’t begin until April 25. Meanwhile, the combine begins this week, followed by pro days on college campuses and then individual workouts.

To Dorsey, at least, personal interviews might be the most important part of the postseason draft process. He said a quarterback can improve his draft standing with a series of strong interviews.

“The most impressive interview I’ve ever had in the last 25 years of doing this? Russell Wilson,” said Dorsey, referring to the quarterback drafted by Seattle last year in the third round. “Wasn’t even close. You could feel that guy as a person, how strong he was, how intellectually deep he was, how mentally tough he was, that he had the charisma to lead other players. I always try to look at kids like I’m in the locker room and I’m a teammate. It was easy to see this guy leading a team.

“A quarterback wants to come across in the interview process as confident, as having a vast understanding and knowledge of defenses, as being capable of leading a group of men. That’s what you’ve got to convey to the teams. On film, his physical traits and skills will come out. But you have to over the next few weeks impress on teams the character of his soul, his ability to lead a franchise.”

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Sorter · 02-17-2013, 10:04 PM

I haven't read much of the thread recently but if you're going to draft a 3 tech at #1, then it should be Richardson.

Coogs · 02-17-2013, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by J Diddy

It's easy. The best in this draft doesn't equal good.

He follows the first post up with this...

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Originally Posted by RunKC

If Dorsey thinks the 3rd or 4th best QB in this class is the best, then why not get a great player at 1 and the QB on the top of our board

Why in the hell would the 3rd or 4th best QB be at the top of our wish list. I can not fathom that.

**RealSNR** · 02-17-2013, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Fairplay

We need more draft threads

It's the issue that surrounds the team currently. So yes, we do need more draft threads

RunKC · 02-17-2013, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

He follows the first post up with this...

Why in the hell would the 3rd or 4th best QB be at the top of our wish list. I can not fathom that.

Seahawks thought Russell Wilson was amazing.

Patriots Ryan Mallett was the best QB in the 2011 draft.

Bengals thought Andy Dalton was best fit in 2011.

49ers thought Colin Kaepernick was best fit in 2011.

RunKC · 02-17-2013, 10:17 PM

And here is why we trust Reid and Dorsey over the last regimes: they aren't scared.

Pioli was scared to take a QB in the first round. King Carl was scared to take a QB in the first round.

Both of our leaders have played a huge role in drafting guys in the top of the draft. They know what they are doing.

We haven't had confident leaders running this franchise since 1983.

Coogs · 02-17-2013, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Seahawks thought Russell Wilson was amazing.

Patriots Ryan Mallett was the best QB in the 2011 draft.

Bengals thought Andy Dalton was best fit in 2011.

49ers thought Colin Kaepernick was best fit in 2011.

So the Seahawks didn't like Luck or RGIII? Or was Wilson the only guy out of those 3 they had a shot at?

Pats had Brady.

Bengals had Palmer.

Wasn't like QB was a manditory pick in the 2011 draft... unlike our situation where we have no QB.

Sort of the same with the 69ers. They still had Smith. Need? Possibly. But not manditory.

**RealSNR** · 02-17-2013, 10:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC

Seahawks thought Russell Wilson was amazing.

Patriots Ryan Mallett was the best QB in the 2011 draft.

Bengals thought Andy Dalton was best fit in 2011.

49ers thought Colin Kaepernick was best fit in 2011.

Got links? That sounds like a bunch of made up bullshit to me.

Just because a team picks a QB beyond the top 15 doesn't mean they believe they were the best QB.

**RealSNR** · 02-17-2013, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

So the Seahawks didn't like Luck or RGIII? Or was Wilson the only guy out of those 3 they had a shot at?

Pats had Brady.

Bengals had Palmer.

Wasn't like QB was a manditory pick in the 2011 draft... unlike our situation where we have no QB.

Sort of the same with the 69ers. They still had Smith. Need? Possibly. But not manditory.

Pete Carroll didn't even want Russell Wilson. GM Schneider pretty much forced the team to draft him.

mr. tegu · 02-17-2013, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

It's not, RunKC just misrepresented the article by trying to make it seem like it was saying something it's not. The only thing Dorsey actually said is that the QB evaluation is ongoing and that there's no consensus among the people he knows on which guy is best. Which is not in any way saying there's no first round QB, or no QB worth the number 1 pick. What he's saying is basically "ask me again after the combine and workouts". Which is exactly what anybody with a brain would have expected him to say.

Thanks. Glad there are some others that see it as well.

**TribalElder** · 02-17-2013, 10:39 PM

Danny Parkins just gave his tarded opinion about the draft on off the bench. Joelle me off you loser. Star is we resign Albert. Dude, get ready because the Choco penii cometh for you Danny P

**The Franchise** · 02-17-2013, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudy Was Offsides.

Well it seems it has only happened once. So. Ok

Edit: Add JP Losman.
Edit: Add Rex Grossman.

Lol.

So trading up into the 1st round for a QB netted the following.

Brady Quinn
JP Losman
Rex Grossman
Brandon Weeden.

Straight ****ing garbage.

Hammock Parties · 02-17-2013, 11:08 PM

I wish I had the info on teams that traded their first round pick before the draft for something stupid.

I bet there are several more horrible QBs that bad teams could have picked.

**RealSNR** · 02-17-2013, 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoWalrus

I wish I had the info on teams that traded their first round pick before the draft for something stupid.

I bet there are several more horrible QBs that bad teams could have picked.

I mean, there's the Chiefs in 2001, who traded for Trent Green when they could have had Drew Brees

silver5liter · 02-17-2013, 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TribalElder

Danny Parkins just gave his tarded opinion about the draft on off the bench. Joelle me off you loser. Star is we resign Albert. Dude, get ready because the Choco penii cometh for you Danny P

I didn't watch, but he's been pretty adamantly pro geno on his show

B14ckmon · 02-17-2013, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

So trading up into the 1st round for a QB netted the following.

Brady Quinn
JP Losman
Rex Grossman
Brandon Weeden.

Straight ****ing garbage.

Bit different when drafts are front loaded with talent. This draft class is not.

02-16-2013, 05:29 PM
RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $2279611	Dorsey: There is no definite first round QB No clear quarterback choice for Chiefs in the draft By ADAM TEICHER Kansas City Star Published Saturday, Feb. 16, 2013, at 3:36 p.m. 0 CommentsEmailPrintReprints Pros and cons Matt Barkley, 6-2, 230, USC: Superb leadership skills, the first one at practice or meetings and the last one to leave. But his arm strength is suspect. May be a system fit. Mike Glennon, 6-7, 220, North Carolina State: Strong arm. He’s easily able to make all the necessary throws. But a lack of mobility could be a problem against a strong pass rush. Ryan Nassib, 6-2, 225, Syracuse: Good mobility and throws well on the run. But he’s a late-bloomer who might need more seasoning before he’s ready for the NFL. Geno Smith, 6-3, 210, West Virginia: Has best ability of all the top prospects. Was durable in college, but he’s not an imposing specimen. So how will he hold up in the NFL? Tyler Wilson, 6-2, 220, Arkansas: Will stand in and take a hit but still make an accurate throw. But he’s short for an ideal NFL quarterback and has small hands, which could lead to fumbling problems. KANSAS CITY, Mo. — The Chiefs spent the last several days setting their draft board in preparation for this week’s NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis. The process merely confirmed for new general manager John Dorsey that when it comes to quarterbacks, their homework is only starting. Opinions on the top available quarterbacks in this year’s draft are that varied. “There is no quarterback where personnel guys can definitely say, ‘He’s a first-round pick,’ ” Dorsey said. “There were so many inconsistencies in the collective group. There was not one guy that stood up and said, ‘I’m the guy in the position this year.’ There really wasn’t one clear-cut guy. “There are too many technical flaws, scheme flaws. There are so many different variables that there are a lot of people all over the place on naming the top four or five guys and who those guys would be.” The Chiefs aren’t the only team having trouble sorting through the top quarterback prospects. From the natural ability of West Virginia’s Geno Smith to the smooth leadership skills of USC’s Matt Barkley to the willingness to take a hit in the face of a strong pass rush of Arkansas’ Tyler Wilson, there are plenty of things to like. There are reasons to pause just the same. Smith faltered late last fall against better competition. Barkley and Wilson had disappointing, injury-marred senior seasons. This is a particular problem for teams like the Chiefs, who have a gaping need at quarterback. Dorsey didn’t say so specifically, but he didn’t sound like the Chiefs were planning to take a quarterback with the first pick in this year’s draft. More likely, the Chiefs will select a quarterback later in the draft — if they take one at all. Dorsey said both he and coach Andy Reid would be in attendance at the workouts of most, if not all, of the top available quarterbacks. “I think Andy is a really good evaluator of quarterbacks,” Dorsey said. “I want him and I to go to as many quarterback workouts as possible and actually set our own up.” The quarterback rankings for last year’s draft were determined almost a year in advance. Stanford’s Andrew Luck was a consensus choice to be the top player selected as soon as the 2011 draft was finished. Baylor’s Robert Griffin III came on as a senior to win the Heisman Trophy and make the race interesting, but in the end, Luck was selected first by Indianapolis. Griffin was taken with the next pick by Washington. “Last year was an easy evaluation,” draft analyst Mel Kiper said. “Automatically, you put Andrew Luck and RG III up there.” This year, quarterback ratings are scattered. Some teams like Smith, but others have different favorites, like Barkley, Wilson, North Carolina State’s Mike Glennon or Syracuse’s Ryan Nassib. “The year didn’t go the way Barkley and the USC Trojans hoped,” Kiper said. “He began the year number one on my big board. You saw what happened with USC. They lost four games with Barkley at quarterback and lost a couple more when he was hurt. They didn’t have a signature win all year. They dropped down the rankings from number one and he dropped down the rankings from number one. “Geno Smith started out great. It looked like after Barkley struggled you could lock Geno Smith in. Then he has a disappointing second half of the season, so there are issues in terms of what type of starting quarterback he can be. Glennon was hot for a while even though he had a subpar supporting cast, and he didn’t play great (in the bowl game) against Vanderbilt and didn’t have a wow-you-over Senior Bowl week. “Things didn’t fall into place at Arkansas, and that affected Tyler Wilson. The wheels came off for all the quarterbacks at some point (last) year. Things just didn’t fall right to allow them to maximize their ability. That’s why the teams are right now in the predicament they are, trying to figure this whole quarterback thing out and not overdraft or push a guy up when he’s not deserving.” Kiper doesn’t have a quarterback rated among his top 25 players. In fact, in his latest mock draft, Kiper doesn’t have a single quarterback being selected in the first round. “It’s just a tough evaluation, trying to figure out which quarterbacks in this draft, if any, will be great starting quarterbacks,” he said. Dorsey said he expects at least two quarterbacks to be drafted in the first round because so many teams have a need. It’s a matter, though, of which ones. Things could solidify in the next couple of months. The draft doesn’t begin until April 25. Meanwhile, the combine begins this week, followed by pro days on college campuses and then individual workouts. To Dorsey, at least, personal interviews might be the most important part of the postseason draft process. He said a quarterback can improve his draft standing with a series of strong interviews. “The most impressive interview I’ve ever had in the last 25 years of doing this? Russell Wilson,” said Dorsey, referring to the quarterback drafted by Seattle last year in the third round. “Wasn’t even close. You could feel that guy as a person, how strong he was, how intellectually deep he was, how mentally tough he was, that he had the charisma to lead other players. I always try to look at kids like I’m in the locker room and I’m a teammate. It was easy to see this guy leading a team. “A quarterback wants to come across in the interview process as confident, as having a vast understanding and knowledge of defenses, as being capable of leading a group of men. That’s what you’ve got to convey to the teams. On film, his physical traits and skills will come out. But you have to over the next few weeks impress on teams the character of his soul, his ability to lead a franchise.” Read more here: http://www.kansas.com/2013/02/16/267...#storylink=cpy
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