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Old 04-21-2009, 02:07 AM   #4561
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If you ever wanna have an interesting wrestling convo me and a friend of mine tried to figure this one out...

In WCW's heyday how in the **** did Diamond Dallas Page get so popular and so over? It's something that no one can figure out, it was just very very weird.
I was a DDP mark when he was still a lower-midcard heel, so I'm the wrong person to ask.

He was really one of the first people to stand up to the nWo, though. They kept teasing the turn for months and months, slowly building towards it, and in the end he rejected them (until everyone was in one of the fifty nWo factions), turned face, feuded with Savage for what felt like years, and got super over as a lanky guy who had tons of charisma and kept taking beatings from heels.

The slow burn had literally been going on for like six months at this point, in January '97:

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Old 04-21-2009, 02:15 AM   #4562
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If you ever wanna have an interesting wrestling convo me and a friend of mine tried to figure this one out...

In WCW's heyday how in the **** did Diamond Dallas Page get so popular and so over? It's something that no one can figure out, it was just very very weird.
He was largely helped by his friendship with Bischoff, which led to him getting pushed. How he stayed over? I have no idea. Maybe it was the succinctness of his name and his finisher.
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Old 04-21-2009, 02:55 AM   #4563
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I always wondered if his mullet and general white trash appeal helped him immensely in staying over...

Even I found myself enjoying DDP for awhile...and yes his finisher was very cool, still better than the RKO.
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and yes his finisher was very cool, still better than the RKO.
Blasphemy.

Orton gets 5 feet off the ground and has a lagging snap when he executes the move. DDP just kind of fell down with it. It was like a rear facelock into a collapse.

Orton may not have invented the Ace Crusher, but he perfected it.
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Old 04-21-2009, 03:00 AM   #4565
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Blasphemy.

Orton gets 5 feet off the ground and has a lagging snap when he executes the move. DDP just kind of fell down with it. It was like a rear facelock into a collapse.

Orton may not have invented the Ace Crusher, but he perfected it.
Sure he jumps higher but what made DDP's cooler was the 8 million different ways he'd hit it. He literally put everything he had into really making that "you never saw it coming line" true.
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Old 04-21-2009, 03:02 AM   #4566
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Sure he jumps higher but what made DDP's cooler was the 8 million different ways he'd hit it. He literally put everything he had into really making that "you never saw it coming line" true.
I don't think I ever saw DDP hit it on a guy who was jumping from the top rope or doing a springboard.

It's not like Orton hasn't hit it from a series of chain wrestling moves, reversals, and counters.
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Old 04-21-2009, 03:04 AM   #4567
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I watched some shoot with DDP where he said he told Orton on his way out "you're the future of the business you're looking for a finisher take my move"
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I watched some shoot with DDP where he said he told Orton on his way out "you're the future of the business you're looking for a finisher take my move"
A much wiser choice than when he used the overdrive.

Couple of other DDP notes:

1) I always wonder how he landed his wife when she was at her apex.
2) I loved the story about how Steiner whipped his ass
3) His wife's performance in the 40 Year Old Virgin was priceless.
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Old 04-21-2009, 03:14 AM   #4569
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A much wiser choice than when he used the overdrive.

Couple of other DDP notes:

1) I always wonder how he landed his wife when she was at her apex.
2) I loved the story about how Steiner whipped his ass
3) His wife's performance in the 40 Year Old Virgin was priceless.
A better story is in the shoot he says looking back he wishes he would have not come in to work the Taker program and would have held out for a peoples champion vs peoples champion program with the Rock because that was what he really wanted to do.
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And this is probably the sweetest version of the move...

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That was a tight move.
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Old 04-21-2009, 03:32 AM   #4572
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There's a pretty awesome one right around 3:10 in that video.
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The DDP-Eddie stuff was pretty awesome. Just another example of WCW's ridiculously great undercard.
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1) I always wonder how he landed his wife when she was at her apex.
DDP was a playa. Lord only knows how he pulled it off. He ran these nightclubs and scored lots of tail. You gotta tip your hat to the man, doing so much with seemingly so little.

I still can't believe Kimberly got her implants taken out. Because she wants to be taken more seriously as an actress or some such. Yeah. Good luck with all that.

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There are so many great DDP stories, one hardly knows where to start.

Some of my favorites:

- DDP had a habit for completely scripting out his matches and giving the script to his opponents so they could memorize it. Prior to the DDP/Raven/Benoit three-way in WCW, wrestlers started to realize that DDP was going to try giving Benoit a script. They wanted to watch it happen, figuring Benoit would tear into him for being a moron.

On the day of the PPV, DDP goes up to Benoit backstage and gives him a move-by-move account of the match they're about to have. Wrestlers are grinning and laughing, just waiting for DDP to get embarrassed.

Instead, Benoit seems overly cheerful, smiling and nodding as he glances through the script. They shake hands and DDP leaves. The second he turns around, Benoit crumples up the script, throws it over his shoulder, and walks away while the wrestlers crack up*.

- Wacky "DDP in WWE" story #138,284: shortly after his debut, DDP invented something he called "Braveheart bumping", supposedly inspired by the movie, which basically involved not falling down and taking a normal bump. In other words, hardly selling anything.

He went around the locker room telling everyone about his new invention, predicting that everyone would be copying him within a few months. He debuted it during a series of house show matches with Taker, and during the second match on the tour, Taker stopped everything and just stood there staring at him until he got the hint to stop doing it.

- Currently lives with a black woman who looks like Shaq**.

- Liked to watch the bigger, freaker wrestlers bang Kimberly, except no one would agree to do it while DDP was there watching. So they'd make tapes that Page would watch. Sex tapes of Kimberly with Big Show and Ice Train have specifically been mentioned in reference to this story**.

(*story became somewhat less amusing as of June 2007)
(**told by longtime DDP hater Mark Madden, so take with as much salt as you so choose)
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According to sources in the Lashley camp, he has not signed a contract with TNA but did the show to get both sides acquainted with each other. If he does sign with TNA, his goal would be to do both pro wrestling on a limited basis and continue MMA, as TNA taping for a few days once a month would give him at least the time to train MMA.

Lashley (2-0 in MMA), who had been negotiating a deal with Strikeforce, is looking over a contract for a June 27 fight against much larger Japanese marketing legend Bob Sapp, that would be held in Biloxi for Prize Fight Promotions (a boxing promotion that would be doing its first MMA card) at the Mississippi Gulf Coast Coliseum that would also feature Pedro Rizzo vs. Gilbert Yvel.

Lashley could sign the contract for the fight as early as later today.

Sapp has not signed for the fight, but confirmed earlier today he's reviewing the contract and "Hopefully, I'll be there."
That's according to Meltzer. Dude hasn't even signed yet and they have him show up at a PPV...gotta love it.
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