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Old 11-12-2018, 09:14 AM  
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Marcon: "Nationalism is a betrayal of Patriotism"

“Patriotism is the exact opposite of nationalism, nationalism is a betrayal of patriotism,” Macron said. “In saying ‘our interests first and who cares about the others,’ we erase what a nation has that’s most precious, what makes it live, what is most important: its moral values.”

This was clearly a political shot at Trump. So, Mr. Marcon... did the French people elect you to put the interests of Germany, England or Syria before the interests of the French people? Sorry, "nationalism" is a synonym of "patriotism" for most. You can use the most narrow, pejorative sense of the word in your twisted attempt to rebuke & embarrass our President. You have that right. Just be prepared for the consequences.

My take is that Trump's "nationalism" is nothing more than advocating for the sovereignty and well-being of the U.S. It does not erase moral values nor preclude the U.S. from caring and helping others outside the U.S. In fact, keeping the U.S. sovereign and making it stronger only puts the U.S. in a better position to help the list of other countries that the U.S. keeps afloat with our generosity. Can't help but wonder if France just moved down that list a spot or two.

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Old 11-12-2018, 01:00 PM   #46
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There wasn't a Battle of Britain? Are you this ignorant, or are you saying that the aerial battle which the Nazis lost against the Brits shouldn't be called that?
Ok I'm a WWII History buff so let me make some key points.

A. Hitler didn't want to destroy UK because he thought you would be valuable vs Russia

B. Had UK no accidentally bombed a German City, Germany would have very likely won the BoB (Germany started bombing civilian center instead of RAF)

C. The US was a life line for UK during BoB when it come to supplies and in some cases pilots

D. Britain outside of North Africa was very ineffective and honestly inept during WWII. (North Africa was important)
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Old 11-12-2018, 01:07 PM   #47
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France lost more people during the War than the Limeys did. Oh yeah sure, the Limeys were so much braver!


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Old 11-12-2018, 01:07 PM   #48
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Ok I'm a WWII History buff so let me make some key points.

A. Hitler didn't want to destroy UK because he thought you would be valuable vs Russia

B. Had UK no accidentally bombed a German City, Germany would have very likely won the BoB (Germany started bombing civilian center instead of RAF)

C. The US was a life line for UK during BoB when it come to supplies and in some cases pilots

D. Britain outside of North Africa was very ineffective and honestly inept during WWII. (North Africa was important)
Me, too. My degree is in history, namely WWII.

No, Hitler didn't really view the UK as a true enemy like the Russians. But he still attacked them, in the hope that they would sue for peace and not be the first front against Germany. Valuable vs. Russia? What do you mean.

Actually, that's wrong. The Germans accidentally dropped bombs on a British city, and the Brits retaliated in kind. This made Hitler bonkers and he foolishly ordered the Luftwaffe to stop bombing the radar stations and airfield, and start bombing British cities. A strategic blunder.

No, we weren't. Lend-lease really did n't get going until 1941, IIRC. Yes, the Brits had help from their empire with regard to pilots. About 20% of the pilots during the BoB were not Brits. Around 10 Americans joined, too. Hardly what Bitch foolishly tried to claim, eh?

The Brits did very well against the German navy up north. But sure, nothing like us. They really didn't have the manpower, let alone the production capacity, that we did.
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This is worse than nationalism imo.
So a French minister says Europe should become EMPIRE.

Le Maire controversial calls for a new superstate came as he backed Emnanuel Macron’s call for a “real European army”.

And he suggested Brussels should go one even further and establish itself as an “empire”.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/772188...ench-minister/
France will be that empire's KKKalifornia.
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France lost more people during the War than the Limeys did. Oh yeah sure, the Limeys were so much braver!


Both France & Britain had inept Military leadership at the start of the war. And honestly through most of it.
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France lost more people during the War than the Limeys did. Oh yeah sure, the Limeys were so much braver!


Oh, look! Bitch is moving the goal posts now, since he got slapped upside the face for being ignorant.

How wonderful!



Of course the French did, Bitch. They were invaded and occupied. Well, the non-Vichy collaborator part, anyway.
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Ok I'm a WWII History buff so let me make some key points.

A. Hitler didn't want to destroy UK because he thought you would be valuable vs Russia

B. Had UK no accidentally bombed a German City, Germany would have very likely won the BoB (Germany started bombing civilian center instead of RAF)

C. The US was a life line for UK during BoB when it come to supplies and in some cases pilots

D. Britain outside of North Africa was very ineffective and honestly inept during WWII. (North Africa was important)

Bold is not true at all, the rest is fairly accurate.
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Oh, look! Bitch is moving the goal posts now, since he got slapped upside the face for being ignorant.

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Of course the French did, Bitch. They were invaded and occupied. Well, the non-Vichy collaborator part, anyway.
There is no goalpost. England wouldnt have lasted a weekend vs a 3.9m invasion army Germany had. Maybe not even 3 hours.
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Get ready for a Blue Wave of Repression

Raimondo sorts out the Nationalism of the Old Republic and what the Left envisions for us:

American nationalism, by the nature of its source, the American revolution, tends to be non-aggressive, inward-looking, and focused on the culture rather than the state, but it ain’t necessarily so. [Then he goes on to cite some of our dark periods: such as...]

...the hysteric nationalism of the Progressive Internationalist Woodrow Wilson years, when dissidents were locked up, tarred and feathered, and censorship strangled the free press.

https://original.antiwar.com/justin/...of-repression/
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There is no goalpost. England would've have lasted a weekend vs a 3.9m invasion army Germany had. Maybe not even 3 hours.
That's most likely true. They had idiots like Chamberlain and others who were cowards and resisted re-arming to counter the Nazis.

But, England wasn't invaded. And, do you know why, Bitch?

And, yes, you've not only moved them, you seem to have forgotten about the original one:

Only reason u Limeys "resisted" was due to US help

Care to accept your education, or would you like me to continue?
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That's most likely true. They had idiots like Chamberlain and others who were cowards and resisted re-arming to counter the Nazis.

But, England wasn't invaded. And, do you know why, Bitch?

And, yes, you've not only moved them, you seem to have forgotten about the original one:

Only reason u Limeys "resisted" was due to US help

Care to accept your education, or would you like me to continue?


Color me shocked you swallow Limey propaganda. Lol @ u
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Color me shocked you swallow Limey propaganda. Lol @ u
Errr, what propaganda do you think I'm swallowing here, Bitch? Please be specific.
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Same link I used just before...

The Ugly Side 0f Democrat's Nationalism—Blue Wave Repression coming.
Wait, it's already started with election tampering post election.

Remember HiLiaRy wanted to bait Russia into a war. I had no idea that the left painted a man of peace like this—Rep. Dana Rohrabacher.

Typical was the race for Rep. Dana Rohrabacher’s seat in Southern California, which he’s held for 15 terms, where millions of dollars went into a campaign to paint him as “Putin’s puppet.” We haven’t seen a Russia-baiting Red Dawn-ish bit of demagoguery like this since J. Edgar Hoover roamed the alleyways looking for “treason.”

With very few exceptions, the Democrats are the party of Russophobia, domestic political repression, and war. Their leadership is committed to a conspiracy theory that posits the President of the United States as a foreign agent and is actively seeking to overthrow him with the illegal support of our various intelligence agencies.

With a political agenda like this, militarism is the only possibility...what’s at stake is a life-and-death struggle with a nuclear power. Such a conflict could destroy all life on earth with the push of a single button.

On the civil liberties front, the congressional Democratic majority can be expected to launch a campaign of political repression against its perceived opponents: that means anyone who opposes their crazed cold war agenda of Russia-baiting, rearmament, and NATO expansion.

The Democrats have been protecting the illegal activities of the “intelligence community” in their brazen bid to oust Trump, and we can expect the further unleashing of the Surveillance State with absolutely no congressional restraints or oversight. The idea is to link American activists with Russians, by hook or by crook. It’s the oldest scam in the demagogue’s bag of tricks: smear your opponents as foreign spies.

It worked last time around: or did it?

Will a rerun of the McCarthy-Army hearings really be to the Democrats’ advantage – or will it make them look like the authoritarian cretins they are?
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That's most likely true.?
Not "most likely" true. Indisputably true. And we know even had a fraction of that army been diverted Westeard England was f,caked. Via internal Brit memos and declass'd files.
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