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**SPOILERS** Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince Discussion

This thread is targetted at those of us who have completely read Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince. If you have not read the ENTIRE book, if you do not want to know what happens at the end, if you do not want to have the whole thing ruined by reading multiple spoilers, then please go away and feel free to return once you're done with the book.
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Old 07-18-2005, 10:23 AM   #2
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Lots of spoilers. Did I mention spoilers? This means you.

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Old 07-18-2005, 10:25 AM   #3
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Old 07-18-2005, 10:31 AM   #4
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For those who are still around...

1. I generally thought this latest entry was an excellent book. Frankly, I had begun to fear that Rawlings had become somewhat like Tom Clancy or Stephen King -- incapable of being edited by her editor, and unwilling to edit themselves, such that they wrote ridiculously over-long, meandering tomes that took forever to actually get the plot moving. This book, I thought, was well-written, straight-forward and took a minimum of worthless detours, while still providing color and background.

2. I took about 10 minutes to quickly scan through a Harry Potter chat site to see what was being said. It seems some think Dumbledore is not, in fact, dead, but rather that it is all part of an elaborate scheme cooked up by him and Snape. Part of the justification is the argument that Dumbledore and Snape had earlier, as well as the fact that Harry didn't "confirm" his identity in some fashion (raspberry being his favorite flavor or whatever it was). I'm less than sold on this. I believe both Sirius and Dumbledore are well and truly dead.

3. R.A.B., as someone here (Keg?) mentioned, is commonly thought to be Remulus Black. I can definitely see that. An interesting thought someone had was that back in Order of the Phoenix, the gang found a locket at the Black's house that they could not open. Was this the locket that was sought?

4. It seems to me that in the next book, Harry has a mountain of work to do, and precious little help to do it. He needs to find (i.e. figure out where they are), 4 Horcruxes, recover them, destroy them, then face Voldemort, all while dodging whatever Death Eaters are trying to do thwart him. Oh, by the way, he also needs to hide what he's doing from Voldemort for if Voldemort knows he's losing his Horcruxes, he'll move them or add further protections. For someone who was so OBVIOUSLY out of hsi league in recovering the latest Horcrux, I'll be interested to see how that gets pulled off.

More next post. Unfortunately, as everyone can likely see, my thoughts on this book aren't very well organized yet.
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Old 07-18-2005, 10:42 AM   #5
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More random thoughts, focusing on a central protagonist, Severus Snape:

I still believe that Snape is ultimately going to be shown to have been working for the good guys. That his killing of Dumbledore was either (1) a fake, in that it wasn't Dumbledore but rather someone else pretending to be Dumbledore who had volunteered to die (I deem this unlikely), (2) that Dumbledore and Snape had agreed to this kind of a plan beforehand, or (3) that Dumbledore was, in fact, pleading with Snape to kill him quickly, because Dumbledore was going to suffer a long, slow, unpreventable and painful death from the poison/potion/whatever that he drank to recover the Horcrux.

Snape is now, without question, as close to Voldemort as anyone. He is in a unique position to harm him, physically or by sharing information. If there are any anonymous individuals helping Harry out in the next book, it'll probably be Snape.

I was absolutely shocked to see how easily Snape handled Harry at the end. I really have no idea how that is explained or justified in any way. If there is ONE thing Harry has been shown to be good at, it's thinking quick and facing off in duels. Snape spanked him like a pathetic child. I disliked that scene quite a bit.

Snape knows that Grimmauld Place is/was the HQ of the Order of the Phoenix. If Harry uses the place in any way next book, or gains benefit from it directly or indirectly, it's an indirect sign that Snape really is working on the right side.

Snape has turned into perhaps the most interesting character in this series. At this point, it is entirely possible that (1) he was working for Voldemort all along, (2) that he was working for Dumbledore all along, or (3) that he is playing his own game, with his ultimate goal to eliminate both Dumbledore and Voldemort and be left leading the Death Eaters (unlikely, but possible). Interesting stuff.

In any event, it seems to me that a powerful wizard will need to be helping Harry and friends in the next book. It may end up being Snape in some fashion.
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Old 07-18-2005, 11:02 AM   #6
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for some reason I'm thinking Snape may have his own evil reasons for this stunt he pulled...

he's just like voldemort, half blood, muggle father, witch mother, very independent

i just know that i can't ever think about his character the same way again....

also, just food for thought, since Snape made the Unbreakable Vow to help Draco, would Snape have died had Draco not fulfilled his mission for Voldemort?

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Old 07-18-2005, 11:08 AM   #7
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for some reason I'm thinking Snape may have his own evil reasons for this stunt he pulled...

he's just like voldemort, half blood, muggle father, witch mother, very independent

i just know that i can't ever think about his character the same way again....

also, just food for thought, since Snape made the Unbreakable Vow to help Draco, would Snape have died had Draco not fulfilled his mission for Voldemort?

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That is certainly the impression one has. I'm starting to re-read the book now, and I'll keep a close eye on how exactly that vow was worded. The unanswered question is what, exactly, were Draco's instructions. If, as one suspects, it was "kill Dumbledore", then there wouldn't seem to be alot of wiggle room.

I think it's odds-on that Snape dies next book, but dies a hero's death.

And the more I think about it, the more Dumbledore wanted Snape to kill him. Over and over again -- "get Snape". Not Madam Pomfrey. Snape, Snape, Snape.

EVERYONE told Dumbledore not to trust him. Dumbledore trusted him implicitly. I do not, CANNOT, believe that Dumbledore was just flat wrong to trust someone like that. He was always willing to give people chances, but he was never, ever foolhardy. See Tom Riddle.
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Old 07-18-2005, 11:10 AM   #8
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Old 07-18-2005, 11:23 AM   #9
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TWO FREAKIN' YEARS PROBABLY!
Yeah, no kidding. She's not even going to start writing the next book until after the Holidays, from what I saw. She has a 6 month old baby at home.


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Did anyone like the new "spunky" Ginny? What about the Harry and Ginny hookup then breakup?


I am very certain that it is Romulus Black (it was the first name that popped into my head without even racking my brains.) Glad to see people agree.
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Old 07-18-2005, 11:47 AM   #11
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Did anyone like the new "spunky" Ginny? What about the Harry and Ginny hookup then breakup?


I am very certain that it is Romulus Black (it was the first name that popped into my head without even racking my brains.) Glad to see people agree.

Although as an guy in my 30s, the whole teen romance thing doesn't appeal to me much, I had no problem with it. Ginny had a crush on Harry from the time she laid eyes on him. Harry ignored her all along, but now that they're a bit older, and him only being one year younger, it seemed fine.

I kinda thought she was "spunky" all along, just not with Harry, who would make her clam up in fear/adoration. She seemed to me to always stick up for herself, etc. Seems to me that in the Weasley house, that would be a necessary requirement for survival.

In short, I like the hook-up. I felt bad for him that Ron and Hermoine were obviously going to hook up and he'd be left alone AGAIN.

I really, REALLY liked how he's suddenly the object of so much adoration and positive attention. Compare it to his misery during Chamber of Secrets, when he was almost universally feared, loathed or suspected. Nice bit of redemption.

I'd have no problem with a follow-on series set 30 years later with him as Headmaster of Hogwarts and Ginny, Ron and Hermoine as Professors.
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Oh yeah, P.S., is anyone else eager to see Percy Weasley tarred and feathered. I'm basically at the point where I wish something barely short of death would happen to him.
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Old 07-18-2005, 11:50 AM   #13
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Ginny's always been pretty "spunky" but I liked finally getting to read more about her. She's usually a pretty secondary character.

I loved that Fleur didn't turn out to be a complete b*tch. She's always been portrayed as vain and self-centered so her standing by Bill was good development for her character.

I too think both Dumbledore and Sirius are dead. I also think that Dumbledore will play an important role in book 7.

I'm leaning towards the idea that Snape and DD had an agreement that Snape would kill DD (perhaps an Unbreakable vow?). DD has never feared death and I imagine probably had some stuff worked out as to what he would do after he died. I think I said it in the other thread but having others witness Snape killing DD earns him the highest credibility with Voldy and the Death Eaters.
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Old 07-18-2005, 11:52 AM   #14
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And yes - Percy Weasley (the great big git) needs to be smacked.
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I'd agree with you on Percy. I'm thinking some sort of permanent bat-bogey hex would be appropriate, preferably from Ginny. She has done a great job in standing up for herself. Witness that she was in the thick of the fighting at the end of the last book.

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