Alex Smith did, does, and will always suck. (part 2)

[Hammock Parties]

Old thread is archived here.

[Anyong Bluth]

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

So some of you guys are only going to give Smith this years playoffs to prove himself? if he doesn't win a game it was a failure of a season and he no chance to ever win another playoff game??
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Agreed. He's already proven that he can win in the playoffs, and why would he be expected to be judged on the outcome of a game when of any sport, football is more team oriented of the major professional sports. He could throw for 300+, multiple touchdowns, make key 3rd down conversions both passing and with his ability to scramble, and have 0 turnovers, but if our special teams and defense are sloppy- you want to lay a blanket determination of his worth and say he sucks due to a playoff loss when he clearly was not the squeaky wheel.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Anyong Bluth

Agreed. He's already proven that he can win in the playoffs, and why would he be expected to be judged on the outcome of a game when of any sport, football is more team oriented of the major professional sports. He could throw for 300+, multiple touchdowns, make key 3rd down conversions both passing and with his ability to scramble, and have 0 turnovers, but if our special teams and defense are sloppy- you want to lay a blanket determination of his worth and say he sucks due to a playoff loss when he clearly was not the squeaky wheel.

I don't know that one win is considered "proving" something. But we've had that debate multiple times on this board.

The Chiefs could win a playoff game and it could not prove anything positive about Alex Smith (< 250 yards passing, poor 3rd down conversions, lackluster offensive performance would do it).

The Chiefs could also lose a playoff game and have it prove a lot about Smith a lot of positive things about Smith (If he plays at a high level but they lose due to D/Special Teams).

[Eleazar]

You guys who disliked the acquisition of Smith from the start - if he won a playoff game this year, would you be fine with going forward with him as a "franchise QB"?

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Cochise

You guys who disliked the acquisition of Smith from the start - if he won a playoff game this year, would you be fine with going forward with him as a "franchise QB"?

It depends on his performance in the playoffs and over the next 3 games as a whole. There have been some shitty QB's win playoffs games so I would base my stance on the body or work as a whole not just getting a win in the playoffs.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Originally Posted by Cochise

You guys who disliked the acquisition of Smith from the start - if he won a playoff game this year, would you be fine with going forward with him as a "franchise QB"?

Half those guys think Geno is a good QB so does it matter what they think?

[Pasta Little Brioni]

He has been damn impressive since the bye.

[King_Chief_Fan]

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

Half those guys think Geno is a good QB so does it matter what they think?

excellent point!
That is a thread killer!!!!!!

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

Half those guys think Geno is a good QB so does it matter what they think?

You can't quit Geno.

[Messier]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Where did you find that? That's awesome!

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Cochise

You guys who disliked the acquisition of Smith from the start - if he won a playoff game this year, would you be fine with going forward with him as a "franchise QB"?

Depends on the playoff game and what follows.

Questions:

1) Who did they beat?
2) How did they beat them?
3) What did the offense do?
4) What did Alex Smith do within the offense (i.e. was it efficient/consistently moving the ball against a good playoff defense? Did the offense perform better/worse against that defense than expected?)
5) What happened in the next game (i.e. did the Chiefs compete against an elite team and lose, or did the Chiefs get outclassed by an elite team? Did the offense hold up its end of the bargain?)

A Chiefs playoff win could confirm skeptics fears about Alex Smith. A Chiefs playoff loss could banish skeptics fears about Alex Smith. Lot of factors there, IMO.

Alex Smith's ability to win a lot of games in the regular season when paired with a great D and strong running game has never been seriously questioned (his two years in San Francisco proved that, at least). It's his ability to win games against elite teams that can put up points on his defense that has been called into question.

Chiefs would need to make a pretty big playoff run (at least to AFC Championship, and doing it on the back of Alex Smith) for me to be OK with committing to a long-term extension for Smith at a franchise QB price tag.

Outside of that, the only extension/commitment to Smith should be along the lines discussed in the Alex Smith extension thread. Something of reasonable cost and that can be walked away from in a few years without destroying the cap. (And even then, I'd say wait until after the draft and FA period to work that out).

[el borracho]

Only if he can throw an additional 4 TDs and just 1 more INT in the last two two games and become an alternate in the Pro Bowl.

Just kidding, even then he won't fit my definition of a franchise QB. Smith is having a career year and he still can't crack 300 yards in a game and still loses the overwhelming majority of the games where the opposition scores more than 24. Smith is a middle of the pack guy (even in his best years) and will never be counted among the greats. He is not a franchise QB.

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Wants upon a time.

the day you leave?

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by King_Chief_Fan

excellent point!
That is a thread killer!!!!!!

Not really a thread killer... as almost all of those guys (myself included) thought Geno Smith needed to sit for a year or two to acclimate to the NFL and thought landing in New York/that supporting cast/being thrown into the fire in year 1/etc. would lead to some significant problems.

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by bshmerlie

If this team is one and done in the playoffs it won't be because of Alex Smith.

Team game and all, but this is pretty much the likely truth.

With Alex, you should know what you are getting. It's the same simple equation it has been over the last 3 years. If everyone else just does a DECENT job, Alex will do his... and that means KC will win.

Look at the 3 losses...

- Denver racks up over 100 yds on the ground.. over 300 yds in the air... and Sherman fumbled... losing the ball to Denver as we were in the RZ fixing to score. Our offense put up 344 yards this game.

- SD racks up over 100 yds on the ground... nearly 500 yds in the air... was 50% on 3rd/4th down conversions... Our offense put up nearly 400 yds this game, and took back a 4 point lead with only 1:22 left in the 4th.

- Denver racks up 132 yds on the ground... over 400 yds in the air... was over 50% on 3rd down conversions... Our offense put up 452 yds this game, and scored a 4th Q TD to get us within 7... but ultimately couldn't score on the final drive with 3 minutes left.

We lost the 3 games for a variety of reasons and shared blame... but c'mon... mostly our defense just shit themselves.

If we lose in the playoffs... I think it's fair to predict that it will be primarily due to our D not forcing a reasonable amount of punts.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by stevieray

the day you leave?

It's nice to know I get to you that much. Let is flow SuperFan, let it flow.