I Hate Cops!!!!

[Skip Towne]

Shortly before noon I was driving in downtown Claremore, Ok when the flashing lights come on behind me. The first thing the cop asks is if I knew why he stopped me. I said no. He said defective exhaust system. (My van doesn't smoke at all and isn't at all loud.) In the squad car he runs my tag and finds nothing amiss. He gives me a warning ticket for defective exhaust and never says a word about my exhaust. He says I am free to go but he wants to ask me another question. Do I have any drugs, alcohol, guns, knives or bombs in the van. I say no. He says do I mind if he checks. I say he has no reason to search my van so he calls for a drug dog crew. He says my eyes are bloodshot so I must be doing drugs. Now I not free to go all of a sudden. The drug dog doesn't hit on the van so the dickhead finally lets me go. This is outrageous bullshit. From a bogus defective exhaust warning to searches and drug dogs because he doesn't like the looks of my eyes. Where is this shit going to end?

[Skip Towne]

Originally Posted by Mr. Kotter

Go read a law book, or government book....your driving away simply proves he was less sure of his reasonable suspicion once the dog didn't hit on your van--that's all. He decided he bigger fish to fry, and didn't want to deal with the messy "his word vs. my word" thing that would have taken place in court. FTR, your van was "searched"---by the dog.

Bottom-line: If they have reasonable suspicion, they don't need a warrant. If you wanna believe they don't need a warrant, keep thinking that....but you better not run across an even more over-zealous cop, because he won't get a dog or a warrant. And for you to have the search declared invalid, you'll be going to court in a case you'll probably lose.

Ramble on but you are full of shit as usual. If that cop COULD have searched me he WOULD have. That's all the proof I need. He didn't because he couldn't.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Skip Towne

Ramble on but you are full of shit as usual. If that cop COULD have searched me he WOULD have. That's all the proof I need. He didn't because he couldn't.

Or he knew he had no reason to.

[|Zach|]

My understansding of the situation from cops I have talked with sides with Kotter. Let me write that again.

I agree with Kotter.

Heh.

From the way the situation panned out the only thing he would have needed a warrant for is if you had a locked glove box.

[Mr. Kotter]

Originally Posted by Skip Towne

Ramble on but you are full of shit as usual. If that cop COULD have searched me he WOULD have. That's all the proof I need. He didn't because he couldn't.

Ayaiittt.....Whatever ya say. You iz always right. what 'chew thinking man? Long live the chronic an' chit, you dig?

[Mr. Kotter]

Originally Posted by ZachKC

My understansding of the situation from cops I have talked with sides with Kotter. Let me write that again.

I agree with Kotter.

Heh.

Holy shit, Hell just froze over....

[|Zach|]

Originally Posted by Mr. Kotter

Holy shit, Hell just froze over....

Indeed.

[Skip Towne]

Originally Posted by Rausch

Or he knew he had no reason to.

According to Kotter he doesn't need a reason or a warrant. I say he needs a reason to get a warrant. Or I drive away untouched which is what happened.

[|Zach|]

Originally Posted by Skip Towne

According to Kotter he doesn't need a reason

That couldn't be anymore wrong. He did not say that.

[Mr. Kotter]

Originally Posted by Skip Towne

According to Kotter he doesn't need a reason or a warrant. I say he needs a reason to get a warrant. Or I drive away untouched which is what happened.

I said he DOES need "reasonable suspicion." When the dog failed to hit on your vehicle, given the entire situation he determined he didn't need to search your van any further than he already had....with the dog (that WAS a search.)

[Mr. Kotter]

Originally Posted by ZachKC

That couldn't be anymore wrong. He did not say that.

Wow. Gettin' my back too.....surely the Armageddon is nye!

[|Zach|]

Originally Posted by Mr. Kotter

Wow. Gettin' my back too.....surely the Armageddon is nye!

It was such a blantant mischaracterization of what you posted.

[Skip Towne]

Originally Posted by Mr. Kotter

I said he DOES need "reasonable suspicion." When the dog failed to hit on your vehicle, given the entire situation he determined he didn't need to search your van any further than he already had....with the dog (that WAS a search.)

You are an idiot. The cop wanted to "pat me down" after the dog failed to hit on the van. The dude just wouldn't give up. He wanted a bust but bad. And he was denied a search of my van because he didn't have probable cause to search it, so he had no grounds for a warrant. I'll tell you once more then I'm done arguing with your ignorance. The cop REALLY wanted to search my vehicle. I said NO. He got the dog trying for probable cause and didn't get it. He then asked to frisk me and I should have said NO but I let him since there were 6 of his buddies there by now. He was very embarrassed for all the show and go from a "defective exhaust systems" warning to a full blown drug bust extravaganza.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Skip Towne

You are an idiot. The cop wanted to "pat me down" after the dog failed to hit on the van. The dude just wouldn't give up. He wanted a bust but bad. And he was denied a search of my van because he didn't have probable cause to search it, so he had no grounds for a warrant. I'll tell you once more then I'm done arguing with your ignorance. The cop REALLY wanted to search my vehicle. I said NO. He got the dog trying for probable cause and didn't get it. He then asked to frisk me and I should have said NO but I let him since there were 6 of his buddies there by now. He was very embarrassed for all the show and go from a "defective exhaust systems" warning to a full blown drug bust extravaganza.

I'm going to to fall back on the "somehow you still deserved it" defense...

[Mr. Kotter]

Originally Posted by Skip Towne

You are an idiot. The cop wanted to "pat me down" after the dog failed to hit on the van. The dude just wouldn't give up. He wanted a bust but bad. And he was denied a search of my van because he didn't have probable cause to search it, so he had no grounds for a warrant. I'll tell you once more then I'm done arguing with your ignorance. The cop REALLY wanted to search my vehicle. I said NO. He got the dog trying for probable cause and didn't get it. He then asked to frisk me and I should have said NO but I let him since there were 6 of his buddies there by now. He was very embarrassed for all the show and go from a "defective exhaust systems" warning to a full blown drug bust extravaganza.

Do you realize how often anyone disagrees with you, you very quickly resort to the "you are an idiot" or some similar insult....even when you are wrong (as you are in this case), it's the other guy who's an idiot....

[Skip Towne]

Originally Posted by ZachKC

That couldn't be anymore wrong. He did not say that.

Your posts have always entertained me. Especially your spelling and syntax. Is anymore all one word? Seriously, how did you make it out of high school with your lack of command of the English language? That you are in college speaks a lot about the college you attend.