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Old 01-27-2010, 12:12 PM  
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Old 04-29-2010, 01:58 PM   #586
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Let's start here... they rebranded KHTML from KDE... they didn't CREATE anything... they expanded on an Open Source project by developing a fork of their own in private... frankly, KDE should have sued them for the NUMEROUS license violations and shady practices they used to STEAL the KHTML project away from them. So, Jobs can **** himself for this statement.
OH and Jobs also fails to mention that the majority of progress WebKit has made recently is due to development by the folks at GOOGLE.
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Old 04-29-2010, 08:48 PM   #587
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WOW.. is anyone really dumb enough to buy this? Once you have to start using bold faced lies to prop up your argument.. you've lost in my book.
I'm curious to see the lies.


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Let's start here... they rebranded KHTML from KDE... they didn't CREATE anything... they expanded on an Open Source project by developing a fork of their own in private... frankly, KDE should have sued them for the NUMEROUS license violations and shady practices they used to STEAL the KHTML project away from them. So, Jobs can **** himself for this statement.
Don't care, really. Has no bearing on the point at hand.


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Is ANYONE dumb enough to believe this? It isn't even close to true and won't be for quite awhile.
Actually, it's fairly accurate. Almost all sites have a flash degrading method which usually degrades to H264. The entire YouTube app goes this route. Porn sites have this method.

But I'm glad all you have is a "no it isn't, and won't be". Instead of, you know, examples.


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I have no specific data on this... but I have never seen this to be the case... and I'm not buying it sight unseen without ACTUAL data from an independent source.
I know from experience, but I too would like an independent source. Having said that, I really don't think it matters. Adobe's flash is horrendous. It's as bad as their installers and CS4 on a Mac.


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Here he is right, but I for one would rather not buy into a product line that won't have fully functional access to content until that day arrives. To each his own I guess... but don't try to lie to me Jobs.
So, he's lied a grand total of zero times. He was, perhaps, not fully truthful in the KDE webkit thing, but I don't count a single "lie".

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OH and Jobs also fails to mention that the majority of progress WebKit has made recently is due to development by the folks at GOOGLE.
If you're going to start saying Jobs is lying for exaggerating, I'm going to have to say you are too since this statement is retarded. Yes, Google has contributed but I would bet a large sum they are not responsible for the "majority of progress Webkit has made".
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Old 04-29-2010, 09:15 PM   #588
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Old 04-30-2010, 02:37 AM   #589
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So, he's lied a grand total of zero times. He was, perhaps, not fully truthful in the KDE webkit thing, but I don't count a single "lie".

If you're going to start saying Jobs is lying for exaggerating, I'm going to have to say you are too since this statement is retarded. Yes, Google has contributed but I would bet a large sum they are not responsible for the "majority of progress Webkit has made"
Well, then you don't know shit. Jobs is a **** for trying to play off webkit as an apple innovation... I was involved with KHTML and watched apple steal it and BREAK THE ****ING LAW to make it their own. It is one of my BIGGEST complaints with them at the moment... and if you don't know how much Google brought to the table WITHOUT having to steal it .. then you really need to bow out of this argument...

...if I had ANY legal standing I would right now be suing the shit out of the bastard ****S at apple that profiteered of KHTML. **** them and may Jobs burn in hell for what he did to Woz and for trying to PRETEND that apple "created" webkit as an open source product...
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Old 04-30-2010, 02:39 AM   #590
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Actually, it's fairly accurate. Almost all sites have a flash degrading method which usually degrades to H264. The entire YouTube app goes this route. Porn sites have this method.
The burden of proof is on you and Jobs... the FACT is... he is LYING... the MAJORITY of sites do NOT support html5 ... man up and make a bet with me and I'll prove it. I'll even take the bet 5 months from now (I would say 6 but we have been arguing this point for a month already)
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Old 04-30-2010, 02:46 AM   #591
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Old 04-30-2010, 02:52 AM   #592
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yes very funny, how many hours of your life has apple profiteered off you? Seriously, **** off. There are a number of people who they have made money off of and that may be ok enough... but to hear Jobs try to play webkit off as an apple open source innovation when it ws ****IN STOLEN.. is disgusting.

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Old 04-30-2010, 04:17 AM   #593
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Geezus, dude. Calm down! That wasn't even directed at you personally, but at this entire shitfest of a thread.

But I suggest that if you have proof of what you claim, you should file suit. Don't just do nothing because you feel powerless.
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Well, then you don't know shit. Jobs is a **** for trying to play off webkit as an apple innovation... I was involved with KHTML and watched apple steal it and BREAK THE ****ING LAW to make it their own. It is one of my BIGGEST complaints with them at the moment... and if you don't know how much Google brought to the table WITHOUT having to steal it .. then you really need to bow out of this argument...

...if I had ANY legal standing I would right now be suing the shit out of the bastard ****S at apple that profiteered of KHTML. **** them and may Jobs burn in hell for what he did to Woz and for trying to PRETEND that apple "created" webkit as an open source product...
I still don't really see what this has to do with his arguments. Pretty much nothing.

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The burden of proof is on you and Jobs... the FACT is... he is LYING... the MAJORITY of sites do NOT support html5 ... man up and make a bet with me and I'll prove it. I'll even take the bet 5 months from now (I would say 6 but we have been arguing this point for a month already)
H246 is independent of HTML5.
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yes very funny, how many hours of your life has apple profiteered off you? Seriously, **** off. There are a number of people who they have made money off of and that may be ok enough... but to hear Jobs try to play webkit off as an apple open source innovation when it ws ****IN STOLEN.. is disgusting.
I sued Apple for $50,000,000. And I won. Does that count for anything??
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This whole thing is getting to be pretty damn hilarious. Adobe's reaction: **** you Apple. We'll leave you in the dust.

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This morning Apple posted some thoughts about Flash on their web site. The primary issue at hand is that Apple is choosing to block Adobe's widely used runtimes as well as a variety of technologies from other providers.

Clearly, a lot of people are passionate about both Apple and Adobe and our technologies. We feel confident that were Apple and Adobe to work together as we are with a number of other partners, we could provide a terrific experience with Flash on the iPhone, iPad and iPod touch.

However, as we posted last week, given the legal terms Apple has imposed on developers, we have already decided to shift our focus away from Apple's iPhone and iPad devices for both Flash Player and AIR. We are working to bring Flash Player and AIR to all the other major participants in the mobile ecosystem, including Google, RIM, Palm (soon to be HP), Microsoft, Nokia and others.

We look forward to delivering Flash Player 10.1 for Android smartphones as a public preview at Google I/O in May, and then a general release in June. From that point on, an ever increasing number and variety of powerful, Flash-enabled devices will be arriving which we hope will provide a great landscape of choice.
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