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-King- · 02:22 PM

2012-2013 NBA Champions:

-King- · 06-06-2013, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Yes. KC_Connection wants to paint me as some kind of an unreasonable LeBron hater.

I don't even compare LeBron to Kobe. LeBron's better. But KCC has no problem comparing LeBron to Jordan. And I'm sorry, but when you make that comparison, then game 1 was inexcusable for LeBron regardless of his numbers. Going 6 minutes in the 4th quarter with 0 points and 1 shot in a 7-point swing that blew the game open for the Spurs is inexcusable.

LeBron played outstanding all game, then so-so in the 4th quarter. It was not Jordan-esque.

You're confusing KCC with Hootie. He's the guy saying LeBron is pretty much on par with Jordan already.

Chiefs Pantalones · 06-06-2013, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Yes. KC_Connection wants to paint me as some kind of an unreasonable LeBron hater.

I don't even compare LeBron to Kobe. LeBron's better. But KCC has no problem comparing LeBron to Jordan. And I'm sorry, but when you make that comparison, then game 1 was inexcusable for LeBron regardless of his numbers. Going 6 minutes in the 4th quarter with 0 points and 1 shot in a 7-point swing that blew the game open for the Spurs is inexcusable.

LeBron played outstanding all game, then so-so in the 4th quarter. It was not Jordan-esque.

LeBron can't and won't touch MJ's jock. That's not a con on LeBron it's just MJ is the GOAT. It's not fair to LeBron or any player.

Someone let me know when LeBron dominates a Finals series averaging 41 points a game like MJ did vs. the Suns back in 93. And that's one example.

Deberg_1990 · 06-06-2013, 10:48 PM

Kobe came closer to touchng MJ than LeBron has so far in his career and he's still not close.

KC_Connection · 06-06-2013, 10:48 PM

The bottomline here is that Miami is going to need much more than a one-man LeBron effort to get this series. Nobody is good enough to carry an entire team against a team as good as San Antonio.

Wade and Bosh absolutely have to show up like they did in the 2012 finals. If they don't, it will simply be another much deserved championship for the SAS. And at the moment, I see little reason to think they will.

KC_Connection · 06-06-2013, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Kobe came closer to touchng MJ than LeBron has so far in his career and he's still not close.

Kobe was never anywhere near as good as LeBron has been for the past five years. Not sure why he's being brought up in such a discussion.

Chiefs Pantalones · 06-06-2013, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Kobe came closer to touchng MJ than LeBron has so far in his career and he's still not close.

True. The thing LeBron still has to do to be mentioned with MJ is start piling up rings. Kobe is/was a winner. I doubt LeBron gets 4 just because of other factors that have been mentioned already.

-King- · 06-06-2013, 10:50 PM

At the end of his career when LeBron has 3 rings, Kobe will be looked on as the better player.

And Hootie will kill himself.

Rudy tossed tigger's salad · 06-06-2013, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by -King-

At the end of his career when LeBron has 3 rings, Kobe will be looked on as the better player.

And Hootie will kill himself.

Hahahahaha

Edit: you're a silly goose

Chiefs Pantalones · 06-06-2013, 10:55 PM

I just have a hard time viewing LeBron as a bad ass, mentally. MJ and Kobe had that killer instinct. MJ was almost too competitive. Hell, he wouldn't talk to Roy Williams at UNC for two weeks just because he beat him at pool. LeBron isn't wired that way. It's not him. If he ever got that way...holy shit.

KC_Connection · 06-06-2013, 10:57 PM

Since this has once again descended into a MJ/LeBron discussion for whatever reason instead of discussing the actual team that won the game tonight, here are their advanced stats career in the postseason:

MJ: 28.6 PER, .568 TS%, .503 eFG%, 9.3 TRB%, 28.2 AST%, 2.7 STL%, 1.6 BLK%, 9.4 TOV%, 118 ORtg (higher is better), 104 DRtg (lower is better), 39.8 win shares, .255 WS/48

LeBron: 27.3 PER, .569 TS%, .508 eFG%, 12.0 TRB%, 32.9 AST%, 2.1 STL%, 1.8 BLK%, 12.5 TOV%, 115 ORtg, 100 DRtg, 28.3 win shares, .240 WS/48

Both have been fantastic playoff performers in their careers, both among the best in the history of the game. MJ may have been slightly better (his PER, win shares, and WS/48 are all #1 all-time), but LeBron is right there (his PER and WS/48 is #3 all time, his win share total already #7 ahead of Kobe). Not sure why some feel the need to diminish LeBron because he's not exactly Michael Jordan. When his career is over, he'll likely be seen as the one of the top two or three to ever play.

-King- · 06-06-2013, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection

Since this has once again descended into a MJ/LeBron discussion for whatever reason instead of discussing the actual team that won the game tonight, here are their advanced stats career in the postseason:

MJ: 28.6 PER, .568 TS%, .503 eFG%, 9.3 TRB%, 28.2 AST%, 2.7 STL%, 1.6 BLK%, 9.4 TOV%, 118 ORtg (higher is better), 104 DRtg (lower is better), 39.8 win shares, .255 WS/48

LeBron: 27.3 PER, .569 TS%, .508 eFG%, 12.0 TRB%, 32.9 AST%, 2.1 STL%, 1.8 BLK%, 12.5 TOV%, 115 ORtg, 100 DRtg, 28.3 win shares, .240 WS/48

Both have been fantastic playoff performers in their careers, both among the best in the history of the game. MJ may have been slightly better (his PER, win shares, and WS/48 are all #1 all-time), but LeBron is right there (his PER and WS/48 is #3 all time, his win share total already #7 ahead of Kobe). Not sure why some feel the need to diminish LeBron because he's not exactly Michael Jordan. When his career is over, he'll likely be seen as the one of the top two or three to ever play.

I don't think anyone was doing that.

KC_Connection · 06-06-2013, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by -King-

I don't think anyone was doing that.

Except for those who repeatedly make the LeBron/MJ comp in the laughable attempt to diminish him. And that seems to happen after just about every Heat loss.

Chiefs Pantalones · 06-06-2013, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by -King-

I don't think anyone was doing that.

Yeah nobody is diminishing what he's done in his career so far. I just think it's downright foolish to be licking his knob when he's about to lose another Finals series. His stats are nice, but let's see more before we go the way of ESPN on his ass. He has loads more potential that he hasn't tapped yet. Gonna be fun to watch. Hopefully he continues to grow and his balls start to drop.

chiefzilla1501 · 06-06-2013, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection

The bottomline here is that Miami is going to need much more than a one-man LeBron effort to get this series. Nobody is good enough to carry an entire team against a team as good as San Antonio.

Wade and Bosh absolutely have to show up like they did in the 2012 finals. If they don't, it will simply be another much deserved championship for the SAS. And at the moment, I see little reason to think they will.

The big 7-point swing happened in the 4th quarter where LeBron had 0 points and only 1 shot attempt.

Justify this all you want. Blame it on everyone but the superstar. Of course the supporting cast could have played better, but how can you justify disappearing for that long during that critical stretch?

KC_Connection · 06-06-2013, 11:15 PM

If he keeps playing at this level, LeBron will be in the top 3 in playoff win shares in the next year or two, BTW. And he'll also likely eventually be #1 on the list assuming no injuries or decisions to go play another sport.

Duncan is currently #4 on the list: http://www.basketball-reference.com/..._career_p.html

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KC_Connection Perpetual Mediocrity Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $5412783	The bottomline here is that Miami is going to need much more than a one-man LeBron effort to get this series. Nobody is good enough to carry an entire team against a team as good as San Antonio. Wade and Bosh absolutely have to show up like they did in the 2012 finals. If they don't, it will simply be another much deserved championship for the SAS. And at the moment, I see little reason to think they will.
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KC_Connection Perpetual Mediocrity Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $5412783	Since this has once again descended into a MJ/LeBron discussion for whatever reason instead of discussing the actual team that won the game tonight, here are their advanced stats career in the postseason: MJ: 28.6 PER, .568 TS%, .503 eFG%, 9.3 TRB%, 28.2 AST%, 2.7 STL%, 1.6 BLK%, 9.4 TOV%, 118 ORtg (higher is better), 104 DRtg (lower is better), 39.8 win shares, .255 WS/48 LeBron: 27.3 PER, .569 TS%, .508 eFG%, 12.0 TRB%, 32.9 AST%, 2.1 STL%, 1.8 BLK%, 12.5 TOV%, 115 ORtg, 100 DRtg, 28.3 win shares, .240 WS/48 Both have been fantastic playoff performers in their careers, both among the best in the history of the game. MJ may have been slightly better (his PER, win shares, and WS/48 are all #1 all-time), but LeBron is right there (his PER and WS/48 is #3 all time, his win share total already #7 ahead of Kobe). Not sure why some feel the need to diminish LeBron because he's not exactly Michael Jordan. When his career is over, he'll likely be seen as the one of the top two or three to ever play.
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06-06-2013, 11:15 PM	#4245
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