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Old 01-19-2017, 10:37 AM  
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Ok I hate to say it but is the NFL Rigged?

One of the worst reffed games I've ever seen and how is the ref punished? No he's rewarded with the Super Bowl job. How the hell can this be does the NFL not want us to win?


I know now I'm a conspiracy theorist or just angry chief fan but is anyone else upset???

The NFL basically screwed the chiefs and no one is mad!
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Old 01-09-2018, 08:26 PM   #76
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Why would you think this is relevant whatsoever to today? Because something might have happened 100 years ago?

The whole gambling industry of LV was built on the mob, and a lot more recently. Now, its a few big corporations. The past is irrelevant.
Because there is more money in it now than there ever was...

EDIT: Also not 100 years ago.. more like 40-50 maybe? That's when the NFL really started gaining in popularity in comparison to the other major sports at the time which would have been MLB, Boxing, and Horse racing.
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Old 01-09-2018, 09:34 PM   #77
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"The past is irrelevant" Wow. That statement says soooooo much.
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Old 01-09-2018, 10:14 PM   #78
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The officiating in our have was incompetence, not a conspiracy. Why would the league want the Titans to advance ahead of us. We are a much more attractive team with Kelce, Hill, and Hunt. The Titans are probably the least appealing team in the playoffs. Not too mention a KC/NE have is much more marketable than NE/TEN
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Old 01-09-2018, 10:17 PM   #79
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The officiating in our have was incompetence, not a conspiracy. Why would the league want the Titans to advance ahead of us. We are a much more attractive team with Kelce, Hill, and Hunt. The Titans are probably the least appealing team in the playoffs. Not too mention a KC/NE have is much more marketable than NE/TEN
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Old 01-09-2018, 10:31 PM   #80
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The officiating in our have was incompetence, not a conspiracy. Why would the league want the Titans to advance ahead of us. We are a much more attractive team with Kelce, Hill, and Hunt. The Titans are probably the least appealing team in the playoffs. Not too mention a KC/NE have is much more marketable than NE/TEN
That's actually where I would lean in this game, too. It was just badly, badly botched. Either that, or an individual official was on the take without the league's knowledge, like we saw in the NBA.

I do think that the league pushes story lines, though, and that can affect outcomes. It can't control them, but it can affect them. I also suspect there are orders to not let games get out of hand, and I think there's a natural human bias to give calls to bigger stars that get ignored with regular players.

That said, some things are just too convenient. Allowing Elway and Manning to have trophies in their last year is suspicious, particularly Manning since he was so bad by that point, and the fact that Super Bowls keep getting closer and "more exciting" (quotes added for sarcasm) really gives me pause. Check out the average winning margin of Super Bowls over time (see enclosed graph).

Now, here's what happened. (Note that I'm using 9 year smoothed averages to get the noise out of the data.) Look at the chart and follow along, because it's really interesting.

In the first ten years of the Super Bowl, the winning margin was around 12 or 13 points. This was an era of defense, so you'd expect margins to be lower in this era compared to the modern era. Teams didn't score as much, so the margins of victory will be smaller. The downward trend in the first dozen Super Bowls is a pattern, but may be anomalous: the two big Green Bay victories in SB 1 and 2 throw up the average in the early years because I can't do a full moving average of them.

So then the NFL liberalizes passing rules, and offenses suddenly take hold. There'll always be a team that's the best team in the league, and the offensive rules gave them a bigger margin of victory in this era. As certain teams figured out how to optimize offense faster than others, the scoring differential got bigger and bigger from SB 13 through about SB 19.

The differential stabilized around SB 20, but it stabilized at a big number. In an offensive era, the best team was often going to blow out other teams. The differential dipped about through SB 30, but I attribute this more to the 49ers slowing down than any systemic issues. If you're old enough to remember this era, you remember jokes and complaints about how boring the Super Bowls were, since one team always blew out the other.

But now look at SB 31 on. We've had a very steady and strong decline in point differential, even while offenses are given more and more advantages. Given the steady diet of point-producing rules changes, one would expect the same type of jump in margin of victory that we saw back in the 1970s when offenses were suddenly awarded advantages.

But we didn't. Instead, we're seeing lower and lower margins of victory; in other words, closer and "more exciting" games. If not for the Seahawks shellacking the Broncos recently, the pattern would be even more pronounced.

What's causing this? It's the opposite of the trend you'd expect given the changes in passing rules.

One can come up with two theories:

1. If you believe the NFL story line, we've got more parity and teams are more evenly matched, even in the Super Bowl where presumably you might have an outlier team each year.

2. The NFL is intentionally working to keep big games close and "exciting". It's not lost on me that last year was the first overtime Super Bowl. Yay for ratings!

So if you look at when this trend started, it was basically 1997. And what happened in 1997? We had the first ratings-oriented farewell Super Bowl that was awarded to John Elway.

I therefore conclude that 1997 was the first year that the NFL began manipulating games for ratings.
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Old 01-09-2018, 10:32 PM   #81
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Because there is more money in it now than there ever was...

EDIT: Also not 100 years ago.. more like 40-50 maybe? That's when the NFL really started gaining in popularity in comparison to the other major sports at the time which would have been MLB, Boxing, and Horse racing.
How does more money being in it have anything to do with mob influence then or now? The mafia has nothing to do with running the NFL. It's just a stupid premise.
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Old 01-09-2018, 10:44 PM   #82
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"The past is irrelevant" Wow. That statement says soooooo much.
As far as who was involved in what at the league's beginnings 100 years ago, it is completely irrelevant. The mafia had nothing to do with the NFL's founding, anyway.
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"The past is irrelevant" Wow. That statement says soooooo much.
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Old 01-09-2018, 10:57 PM   #84
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The mafia has nothing to do with running the NFL.
The NFL was CREATED by the mob...

If you dont understand this...well, you are talking out of your ass.

It was invented to circumvent the "no gambling" laws on Sunday....there has been betting odds on games, in newspapers, for decades. Think on it...

Goodell/the billion dollar network deal has just exaggerated what has always been....and internet forums are exposing it.

You are just clinging to the past....being ignorant and pretending the NFL is a real sport. It NEVER has been...since it's inception.

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Old 01-09-2018, 11:21 PM   #85
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The NFL was CREATED by the mob...

If you dont understand this...well, you are talking out of your ass.

It was invented to circumvent the "no gambling" laws on Sunday....there has been betting odds on games, in newspapers, for decades. Think on it...

Goodell/the billion dollar network deal has just exaggerated what has always been....and internet forums are exposing it.

You are just clinging to the past....being ignorant and pretending the NFL is a real sport. It NEVER has been...since it's inception.
No, it wasn't.
I'm sure there are some really convincing "links and ties" you can find though. So-and-so has ties to so-and-so = created by the mob!


But so what if it was (it wasn't)? 100 years ago. The mafia literally ran the LV strip as recently as the 1980s. Now? Nope.

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No, it wasn't.
I'm sure there are some really convincing "links and ties" you can find though. So-and-so has ties to so-and-so = created by the mob!
Do you have any links disproving it?

I would be very interested in reading those...

Saying something is so...just because you want to...inst a convincing argument.
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As far as who was involved in what at the league's beginnings 100 years ago, it is completely irrelevant.
Although legal at the time you do realize Tim Mara founder of the NYG was a bookie and Rooney and Bidwell owned horse tracks?
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Yep. Look at the games the Patriots lose in the playoffs. They get blown out and it's taken out of the refs' hands. If it's close the refs will make sure they win
In the last 10 years the Patriots have had 4 playoff losses by a touchdown or less.
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From what I have seen with my own eyes, especially in the past several years, I don't think there is any reason to believe that most of the games aren't, at the very least, influenced in one direction or another. To me, there are two main reasons for this.

1) Gambling. I don't think its any secret that the mafia was heavily involved in illegal gambling back in the early days of the NFL's rise to prominence as a major national sport, or that many of the original team owners were involved in that in one way or another. There is stuff about this all over the place, dating back to the 80s at least if you do a little research. One person who has done a lot of work on this very subject is a guy named Dan Moldea. He has authored some books about it and has done many interviews. Its interesting stuff.
I own Moldea's book Interference and just an FYI but there is only one NFL team that has a chapter solely dedicated to them and the chapter's title is The Kansas City Shuffle.
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Although legal at the time you do realize Tim Mara founder of the NYG was a bookie and Rooney and Bidwell owned horse tracks?
OMG and I heard George Halas once played poker. WTF does that have to with anything? Or anything now?
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