Royals 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread - Page 306

duncan_idaho · 10:01 AM

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

**alnorth** · 05-21-2013, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by KCUnited

When do we start to see the trade value of our prospects diminish simply because they come from our system?

Rival GM's are not going to assume that the Royals are haunted.

Prison Bitch · 05-21-2013, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by MeatRock

Are you saying Shields is not worth 27 million over 2 years?

That's not the question. By himself of course he's worth it. Combining it with the future value of Myers and Odorizzi makes it more complicated. We traded prospects for Shields plus the contract. I did the hypothetical WAR calls earlier. James has to earn 6.9WAR to break even on the cash which he should do. The question is what the prospects earn for Tampa.

It's apples to apples. If they flop for Tampa we win, if they don't we lose. But everyone already knows that.

MeatRock · 05-21-2013, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Actually he's not. Read the details. $21m is his base salary. His options (which we will exercise) add another $2.5m. There was a trade bonus of $0.75m that we surely paid. Then there's another $6m of performance incentives spread across his contract for innings, starts, Cy voting, etc. He will get some if not many of those.

So in truth it's $24.25m before he earns any incentives.

I was only mentioning base salary not options or incentives.

KCUnited · 05-21-2013, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth

Rival GM's are not going to assume that the Royals are haunted.

I don't think we're haunted, I just question our ability to properly develop guys. I could see other teams becoming hesitant to pay a big price for prospects out of KC's system if they essentially have to tack on years to redevelop them.

Prison Bitch · 05-21-2013, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by MeatRock

I was only mentioning base salary not options or incentives.

We will be paying him much more than his base pay. Tampa already picked up his 2013 contract in October which was the fully loaded rate with the option for 10.25. So that is really his pay on our books. He's off to another great start so we will (happily) pay the incentives.

DeepSouth · 05-22-2013, 05:46 AM

Is there a reason the Royals can NOT bring up Christian Colon to play 2nd ?

"Over his last 10 games, Colon is batting .333 (12 for 36) with a triple, two homers, five walks and six RBIs. He is the Royals 13th-ranked prospect according to Baseball America."

**BigMeatballDave** · 05-22-2013, 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by DeepSouth

Is there a reason the Royals can NOT bring up Christian Colon to play 2nd ?

"Over his last 10 games, Colon is batting .333 (12 for 36) with a triple, two homers, five walks and six RBIs. He is the Royals 13th-ranked prospect according to Baseball America."

Dayton is a dumbass?

siberian khatru · 05-22-2013, 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by DeepSouth

Is there a reason the Royals can NOT bring up Christian Colon to play 2nd ?

"Over his last 10 games, Colon is batting .333 (12 for 36) with a triple, two homers, five walks and six RBIs. He is the Royals 13th-ranked prospect according to Baseball America."

Because it's only 10 games, and he was horrendous before that. Let's wait and see if he can sustain this.

**ChiTown** · 05-22-2013, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru

Because it's only 10 games, and he was horrendous before that. Let's wait and see if he can sustain this.

Colon? Yeah, no thanks. He's sub-level to Elliott Johnson right now.

duncan_idaho · 05-22-2013, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by DeepSouth

Is there a reason the Royals can NOT bring up Christian Colon to play 2nd ?

"Over his last 10 games, Colon is batting .333 (12 for 36) with a triple, two homers, five walks and six RBIs. He is the Royals 13th-ranked prospect according to Baseball America."

Sample size.

He needs to keep that up for a at least 2-3 more weeks before you start to take it seriously. He's been very solid in May (.783 OPS, .281/.354/.439) but needs to sustain it.

mr. tegu · 05-23-2013, 07:04 AM

Earlier this week we were planning on going to at least one of these Angels games this weekend. But with how we have been playing combined with how the Angels are killing the ball, I don't intend on going out there at all. I wonder how many people are thinking the same thing.

duncan_idaho · 05-23-2013, 07:43 AM

I am crushed after last night's game. Taking tonight off from waching and seeing how I feel on Friday.

Just depressing.

Prison Bitch · 05-23-2013, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by mr. tegu

Earlier this week we were planning on going to at least one of these Angels games this weekend. But with how we have been playing combined with how the Angels are killing the ball, I don't intend on going out there at all. I wonder how many people are thinking the same thing.

People know they're a fraud. That's why people weren't jumping on th bandwagon after the hot start. I mean in 2009 we started 18-11 and went 47-86 the rest of the way. (With the freankin CY Young winner no less).

Until this team wins fans are right to doubt them.

Three7s · 05-23-2013, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

I am crushed after last night's game. Taking tonight off from waching and seeing how I feel on Friday.

Just depressing.

Glad it finally hit you. The team was shit from the first day it took the field.

KCUnited · 05-23-2013, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by mr. tegu

Earlier this week we were planning on going to at least one of these Angels games this weekend. But with how we have been playing combined with how the Angels are killing the ball, I don't intend on going out there at all. I wonder how many people are thinking the same thing.

I'm not sure if its the holiday weekend or shit show on the field of late, but it looks like ticket prices on the secondary market are finally starting to come down. I may grab some tix on craigslist for a game if they're cheap enough.

12-11-2012, 09:59 AM
duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $1840308	2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise. Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk. At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor. Burning questions updates below. Burning Questions for 2013: 1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation? Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory. 2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door? Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster. 3) Does Hosmer bounce back? Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far. 4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012? Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go. 5) Who regresses? Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years. 6) Who plays 2B? Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it. 7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level? Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha 8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014? Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014. 9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse? Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before. 10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers? Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it? Last edited by duncan_idaho; 07-15-2013 at 10:01 AM..
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