Chiefs Fatlock: After Philly fiasco, why is Reid hot? - Page 7

**DaKCMan AP** · 01-04-2013, 08:46 AM

After Philly fiasco, why is Reid hot?

UPDATED JAN 4, 2013 1:51 AM ET

I come from a long line of stone-cold hustlers. My grandfather loan-sharked and ran numbers on the south side of Indianapolis for his entire adult life. My father’s barbershop doubled as a craps house after hours, and I learned to hustle “tip books” at his neighborhood bars. My uncle ran a pea-shake house out of a dry cleaners. My grandfather, father and uncle all held down full-time jobs at Chrysler while hustling to make ends meet.

I mention this to add weight to my assertion that Andy Reid is on the brink of pulling off the greatest hustle I’ve ever witnessed.

The stench of Reid’s last two years in Philly is still smothering football fans in the City of Brotherly Love, and meanwhile he’s the hottest coaching prospect in the NFL, on the verge of being the first coach awarded a seat during professional football’s annual game of musical chairs.

Apparently, the Kansas City Chiefs and owner Clark Hunt outraced Arizona and San Diego to Reid’s Philadelphia coaching carcass.

I can’t positively say I’m against this hiring. What I can say is that I’m absolutely amazed by its urgency and swiftness. The Chiefs, Chargers and Cardinals chased after Reid like he was one of the Kardashians with a clean bill of health from Planned Parenthood and a fresh tummy tuck from a Beverly Hills plastic surgeon.

Hey, I’ve lived in Los Angeles for more than two years. I’ve heard all the Kardashian stories. Yes, they can put that thang on ya. But the truth is, there are more fish in the sea.

Does Clark Hunt know this? There are fish with less miles on their odometer, fish without indisputable video evidence of their sideline freakiness and questionable decision-making.

Because we’re in the “information age,” few people in the national media are focusing on Reid’s bizarre and troubling final two years in Philadelphia. Everyone wants to be first to provide the information about where Reid is going and who he is bringing with him and who is leaving because of his arrival. You can’t get that information from Reid, his handlers and his associates if you are publicly reminding Clark Hunt and Chiefs fans just how awful Reid was in Philadelphia in 2011 and 2012.

Let me repeat: I’m not anti-Andy Reid or retread coaches. There was a time when I thought Reid was as good as any coach in football. I loved the way he handled Donovan McNabb. And Bill Belichick, Dick Vermeil, Mike Shanahan, Tony Dungy and a bunch of other retread coaches have been highly successful.

But Reid is a unique retread.

A high percentage of Eagles fans believe Reid hasn’t been right since his defensive coordinator Jim Johnson died of cancer in 2009. Reid hasn’t won a playoff game since Johnson passed.

My issue is the last two years. The Eagles were the “dream team” in 2011 and Super Bowl favorite. They went 8-8. They had to win their final four games to reach 8-8. To the utter shock and surprise of no one not named Andy Reid, the decision to promote longtime offensive-line coach Juan Castillo to DEFENSIVE coordinator blew up in Reid’s face. In their eight losses, the Eagles surrendered an average of 29.8 points.

The Eagles spent millions of dollars building a dream team, and Reid turned his defense over to an offensive-line coach on a whim. This is like getting a date with Beyonce and consulting with Ike Turner on how to romance her.

Reid allegedly had a nine-hour interview with Clark Hunt and his entourage on Wednesday. I hope someone asked Reid to write a short essay about Juan Castillo. Did anyone have the nerve to ask Reid about his son overdosing and dying at Philly’s training camp this summer? The kid had steroids on him, too.

There are so many questions you have to ask Andy Reid.

Tell us what role you played in giving Michael Vick a new lucrative contract and then overseeing an offensive strategy that repeatedly put your undersized quarterback in harm’s way because of your love of the pass and hatred of the run.

The Eagles went 4-12 this season. Reid fired Castillo early. The defense got significantly worse. The players quit. Vick complained his teammates weren’t committed. Reid left a mess in Philly.

If ever a coach needed a year off work to focus on his family, recharge and self-exam, it’s Andy Reid. Instead, he’s juggling coaching offers. Yep, maybe he’s John Fox and all he needs is a fresh start. Or maybe he’s been chasing his tail for too long and he’s gone crazy. Maybe the fact he could have his pick of jobs after being a disaster the last two years will stop him from doing the kind of self-inventory necessary to snap out of this tailspin.

Hunt reportedly is going to hand Reid all sorts of power. Reid will allegedly be allowed to pick his own front office. General manager Scott Pioli might be relieved of his duties, which would be a good thing. But I don’t see Reid as some sort of personnel guru. A lack of depth has hurt the Eagles the past few years.

This is simply a remarkable job of failing forward by Andy Reid. He found the perfect NFL owner and fan base desperate to get over the pain of a 2-14 season and an overmatched general manager. According to season-long gossip and reports, Hunt has sought the advice of Marty Schottenheimer, the former Chiefs coach.

Reid reminds me of Schottenheimer, only Reid loves to pass the ball and Marty loved to run it. Marty had a successful run in Cleveland and needed a fresh start in Kansas City. It worked out well. A few years ago, Scott Pioli reminded me of Carl Peterson, the general manager who hired Schottenheimer in KC and worked with Schottenheimer during the 1990s.

For a time, Marty and Carl balanced each other.

Who is going to balance Andy Reid? I realize no one wants to talk about it now, while we’re all pretending Reid is Don Shula coming off the '72 season, but there’s plenty of proof Reid went crazy in Philly.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/a...rk-hunt-010313

htismaqe · 01-04-2013, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

Reid makes less money than Sean Payton and more money than Pete Carroll.

Exactly how it should be.

htismaqe · 01-04-2013, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DTLB58

I have no blinders on with Andy Reid.

I think he will bring this Franchise back to respectability. But I do not think he will lead us to a SB. I am hoping after a time of 3-5 years a "Young Gun" asst. will emerge and take us the rest of the way.

Lead us to a Super Bowl? Or lead us to a Super Bowl WIN?

Because he's already proven he can do the former...

KCDC · 01-04-2013, 12:29 PM

I understand that Reid has his risks. I preferred Chip Kelly personally; but, Reid is "NFL-ready" and despite the brain dysfunctions of the past two years, knows what it takes to win in the NFL and offers us the best chance to get back in the playoff hunt more quickly.

htismaqe · 01-04-2013, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by KCDC

I understand that Reid has his risks. I preferred Chip Kelly personally; but, Reid is "NFL-ready" and despite the brain dysfunctions of the past two years, knows what it takes to win in the NFL and offers us the best chance to get back in the playoff hunt more quickly.

If Reid has risks, Chip Kelly has red flags.

beach tribe · 01-04-2013, 01:55 PM

I like the hire, but can someone please allieviate the anxiety that switching to the WCO is bringing me.
I thought this O had been figured out a long time ago.
When was the last time the WCO had major success in the NFL?
Donavon McNabb and TO??

Please tell me I'm wrong. I really hope I'm ignorant about this.
Can someone please hand down some knowlege?

L.A. Chieffan · 01-04-2013, 01:57 PM

Hugh Douglas on espn right now defending trotter and saying Reid sucked in the fourth quarter

**DaKCMan AP** · 01-04-2013, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by L.A. Chieffan

Hugh Douglas on espn right now defending trotter and saying Reid sucked in the fourth quarter

"The 4th quarter was Hugh Time, Woman!"

NJChiefsFan · 01-04-2013, 02:01 PM

Again, if Reid is risky, who is the safe hire? Kelly is the most risky of all the hires. I am not saying I wouldn't want Kelly, but don't tell me Reid is more risky then Kelly.

htismaqe · 01-04-2013, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

When was the last time the WCO had major success in the NFL?

Green Bay runs the WCO.

htismaqe · 01-04-2013, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

Again, if Reid is risky, who is the safe hire? Kelly is the most risky of all the hires. I am not saying I wouldn't want Kelly, but don't tell me Reid is more risky then Kelly.

Exactly.

beach tribe · 01-04-2013, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Green Bay runs the WCO.

Thank you. *whew*

**J Diddy** · 01-04-2013, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by L.A. Chieffan

Hugh Douglas on espn right now defending trotter and saying Reid sucked in the fourth quarter

I watched that too and it wasn't as harsh as Trotter's. He also said that he was a "great coach"

**J Diddy** · 01-04-2013, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

No.

It's a term of affection, n00b.

I hate to break this to all the people who are going with calling him names. SOC was a movement that brought the plight of the Chiefs fan to the front of the nation. Without Whitlock that would have never happened. SOC would have been nothing more than a local movement involving some people with extra cash to hire a banner.

htismaqe · 01-04-2013, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by J Diddy

I watched that too and it wasn't as harsh as Trotter's. He also said that he was a "great coach"

John Welbourn said the same thing.

**HemiEd** · 01-04-2013, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Well, he loved the Herm hire. And was still defending him in 2007/2008 saying he needed 2 more years to get it done.

In retrospect, was Herm let go too early? I don't think anyone hated him more than I, but I have been wrong before.

Herm's draft picks seem to be the strong suit on this team talentwise.

01-04-2013, 08:46 AM
DaKCMan AP Beloved & Awesome CP Celebrity Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Florida Casino cash: $6774952	Fatlock: After Philly fiasco, why is Reid hot? After Philly fiasco, why is Reid hot? UPDATED JAN 4, 2013 1:51 AM ET I come from a long line of stone-cold hustlers. My grandfather loan-sharked and ran numbers on the south side of Indianapolis for his entire adult life. My father’s barbershop doubled as a craps house after hours, and I learned to hustle “tip books” at his neighborhood bars. My uncle ran a pea-shake house out of a dry cleaners. My grandfather, father and uncle all held down full-time jobs at Chrysler while hustling to make ends meet. I mention this to add weight to my assertion that Andy Reid is on the brink of pulling off the greatest hustle I’ve ever witnessed. The stench of Reid’s last two years in Philly is still smothering football fans in the City of Brotherly Love, and meanwhile he’s the hottest coaching prospect in the NFL, on the verge of being the first coach awarded a seat during professional football’s annual game of musical chairs. Apparently, the Kansas City Chiefs and owner Clark Hunt outraced Arizona and San Diego to Reid’s Philadelphia coaching carcass. I can’t positively say I’m against this hiring. What I can say is that I’m absolutely amazed by its urgency and swiftness. The Chiefs, Chargers and Cardinals chased after Reid like he was one of the Kardashians with a clean bill of health from Planned Parenthood and a fresh tummy tuck from a Beverly Hills plastic surgeon. Hey, I’ve lived in Los Angeles for more than two years. I’ve heard all the Kardashian stories. Yes, they can put that thang on ya. But the truth is, there are more fish in the sea. Does Clark Hunt know this? There are fish with less miles on their odometer, fish without indisputable video evidence of their sideline freakiness and questionable decision-making. Because we’re in the “information age,” few people in the national media are focusing on Reid’s bizarre and troubling final two years in Philadelphia. Everyone wants to be first to provide the information about where Reid is going and who he is bringing with him and who is leaving because of his arrival. You can’t get that information from Reid, his handlers and his associates if you are publicly reminding Clark Hunt and Chiefs fans just how awful Reid was in Philadelphia in 2011 and 2012. Let me repeat: I’m not anti-Andy Reid or retread coaches. There was a time when I thought Reid was as good as any coach in football. I loved the way he handled Donovan McNabb. And Bill Belichick, Dick Vermeil, Mike Shanahan, Tony Dungy and a bunch of other retread coaches have been highly successful. But Reid is a unique retread. A high percentage of Eagles fans believe Reid hasn’t been right since his defensive coordinator Jim Johnson died of cancer in 2009. Reid hasn’t won a playoff game since Johnson passed. My issue is the last two years. The Eagles were the “dream team” in 2011 and Super Bowl favorite. They went 8-8. They had to win their final four games to reach 8-8. To the utter shock and surprise of no one not named Andy Reid, the decision to promote longtime offensive-line coach Juan Castillo to DEFENSIVE coordinator blew up in Reid’s face. In their eight losses, the Eagles surrendered an average of 29.8 points. The Eagles spent millions of dollars building a dream team, and Reid turned his defense over to an offensive-line coach on a whim. This is like getting a date with Beyonce and consulting with Ike Turner on how to romance her. Reid allegedly had a nine-hour interview with Clark Hunt and his entourage on Wednesday. I hope someone asked Reid to write a short essay about Juan Castillo. Did anyone have the nerve to ask Reid about his son overdosing and dying at Philly’s training camp this summer? The kid had steroids on him, too. There are so many questions you have to ask Andy Reid. Tell us what role you played in giving Michael Vick a new lucrative contract and then overseeing an offensive strategy that repeatedly put your undersized quarterback in harm’s way because of your love of the pass and hatred of the run. The Eagles went 4-12 this season. Reid fired Castillo early. The defense got significantly worse. The players quit. Vick complained his teammates weren’t committed. Reid left a mess in Philly. If ever a coach needed a year off work to focus on his family, recharge and self-exam, it’s Andy Reid. Instead, he’s juggling coaching offers. Yep, maybe he’s John Fox and all he needs is a fresh start. Or maybe he’s been chasing his tail for too long and he’s gone crazy. Maybe the fact he could have his pick of jobs after being a disaster the last two years will stop him from doing the kind of self-inventory necessary to snap out of this tailspin. Hunt reportedly is going to hand Reid all sorts of power. Reid will allegedly be allowed to pick his own front office. General manager Scott Pioli might be relieved of his duties, which would be a good thing. But I don’t see Reid as some sort of personnel guru. A lack of depth has hurt the Eagles the past few years. This is simply a remarkable job of failing forward by Andy Reid. He found the perfect NFL owner and fan base desperate to get over the pain of a 2-14 season and an overmatched general manager. According to season-long gossip and reports, Hunt has sought the advice of Marty Schottenheimer, the former Chiefs coach. Reid reminds me of Schottenheimer, only Reid loves to pass the ball and Marty loved to run it. Marty had a successful run in Cleveland and needed a fresh start in Kansas City. It worked out well. A few years ago, Scott Pioli reminded me of Carl Peterson, the general manager who hired Schottenheimer in KC and worked with Schottenheimer during the 1990s. For a time, Marty and Carl balanced each other. Who is going to balance Andy Reid? I realize no one wants to talk about it now, while we’re all pretending Reid is Don Shula coming off the '72 season, but there’s plenty of proof Reid went crazy in Philly. http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/a...rk-hunt-010313
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01-04-2013, 12:29 PM	#93
KCDC Starter Join Date: Mar 2009 Casino cash: $9736110	I understand that Reid has his risks. I preferred Chip Kelly personally; but, Reid is "NFL-ready" and despite the brain dysfunctions of the past two years, knows what it takes to win in the NFL and offers us the best chance to get back in the playoff hunt more quickly.
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01-04-2013, 01:55 PM	#95
beach tribe Keep doubting J MFing Houston Join Date: May 2007 Location: ft.lauderdale Casino cash: $4848036	I like the hire, but can someone please allieviate the anxiety that switching to the WCO is bringing me. I thought this O had been figured out a long time ago. When was the last time the WCO had major success in the NFL? Donavon McNabb and TO?? Please tell me I'm wrong. I really hope I'm ignorant about this. Can someone please hand down some knowlege?
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L.A. Chieffan PLAY GOOD FOOTBALL Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: American Gardens Building Casino cash: $4088654	Hugh Douglas on espn right now defending trotter and saying Reid sucked in the fourth quarter
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NJChiefsFan I've Made a Huge Mistake Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: NJ Casino cash: $5770423	Again, if Reid is risky, who is the safe hire? Kelly is the most risky of all the hires. I am not saying I wouldn't want Kelly, but don't tell me Reid is more risky then Kelly.
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