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Mr_Tomahawk · 07:28 PM

...might as well get this started early.

Perhaps his injury well allow him to slip to the middle of the of the 1st round,..where we tend to draft.

Rambozo · 01-27-2013, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

You still do not understand the concept.

You are posting the numbers for completed deep passes.

The fact that he had better deep threats to throw to will certainly improve the number of passes completed, and will enhance the YPA.

It still, however, does not reflect the number of deep passes attempted.

Ok, I'll try and find the stats to correlate the deep attempts with the talented speed players and YPA.

O.city · 01-27-2013, 01:38 PM

I believe clay already did the leg work, just find his post

milkman · 01-27-2013, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by GoWalrus

It's time for me to absolutely take out a 12 inch Kraken cock and activate your gag reflex.

Eagles ranking in pass attempts over 20 yards:

2008 - 5th (68)
2009 - 2nd (72)
2010 - 2nd (85)
2011 - 3rd (81)
2012 - 11th (68)

YOU ARE THE BULLSHIT.

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Originally Posted by Rambozo

Note: Items in bold signify seasons Philly was ranked in the top five in 20+ yard passes.

2005 - (Ranked 5th) Terrell Owens led receivers with 16.2 YPR (Yards per Reception)
2006 - (Ranked 3rd) Donte Stallworth led receivers with 19.1 YPR
2009 - (Ranked 2nd) Desean Jackson led receivers with 18.5 YPR
2010 - (Ranked 4th) Desean Jackson led receivers with 22.5 YPR

Note that three of the four years were the highest YPA during Reid's tenor. I bolded those years above. The YPA and 20+ yards correlate 75% of the time. The time it didn't correlate was with the slowest talent of the three (Owens). Again, It goes back to the talent he had and speed on the field. It's about Reid catering to the player's strengths. When he had quality speed guys, he threw it deep the most. He's only cracked the top 5 in 20+ yard passes four times in his career.

To further illustrate, Clayton's post shows that the Eagles were ranked 5th in 2008 in pass attempts, while your post shows that the Eagles were not (apparently) ranked in the top 10 in pass completions over 20 yards.

Similar comparison can be made for 2011 and '12.

htismaqe · 01-27-2013, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Rambozo

What I can tell you is that I think I have proven myself to be more honest than anyone who has ever posted on this site. Brutally honest about very personal things. I won't go back there.

Having CONVICTION in your opinion doesn't make you right, it just makes you stubborn.

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Originally Posted by Rambozo

I often go out of my to explain my takes.

Don't bother. When you post a take, and 40+ people think it's stupid, there's no need to justify it ad nauseum. Just accept that it actually IS stupid and move on.

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Originally Posted by Rambozo

I think you have a good football IQ but, for you to follow me around and tell me I don't watch football is horseshit. The Eagles were extremely well known for throwing the ball out of the backfield.

The Eagles were also VERY well known for throwing the ball deep. How do I know that? Because I actually watched the games. It IS possible for them to BOTH throw deep AND throw the ball out of the backfield. That's where the stigma came that Reid throws it TOO MUCH. Imagine that.

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You say I'm an idiot for saying very common sense things like if we franchise Albert we are more likely to draft an OT #1 overall. What is so hard to understand about that?

If we franchise tag Albert, he's going to get the average salary of the TOP FIVE left tackles in the league. We're not going to tag him and then draft a 1st round LT. That's not common sense, that's beyond stupid.

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Originally Posted by Rambozo

You think they are going to put Albert in a position where he has the upper hand in a looming contract negociation after he is tagged?

They're certainly NOT going to tag him AND draft a LT #1 overall and pay him too. Tell me you're not really this dumb.

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Originally Posted by Rambozo

The point here is that there are several who follow me around responding to every post with SHIT. I am not the thread shitter, they are.

No you are. You started this. People don't like you and the harder you try, the less they're going to like you.

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Probably, there has never been a poster so driven to be here.

And that's ultimately why you will NEVER fit in here. You have absolutely no regard for your fellow poster. You only care about yourself and your faux righteousness.

Setsuna · 01-27-2013, 01:52 PM

Soooo did Wilson redeem himself?

Rambozo · 01-27-2013, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

To further illustrate, Clayton's post shows that the Eagles were ranked 5th in 2008 in pass attempts, while your post shows that the Eagles were not (apparently) ranked in the top 10 in pass completions over 20 yards.

Similar comparison can be made for 2011 and '12.

I can't seem to find 20+ yard attempts and you probably have to have a PFF or ESPN Insider subscription to have that but, Clayton's stats can prove my point. I would like to go further back if someone has access to those stats.

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2008 - 5th (68)
2009 - 2nd (72)
2010 - 2nd (85)
2011 - 3rd (81)
2012 - 11th (68)

2009 – McNabb YPA 8.0 – Desean Jackson
2010 – Vick YPA 8.1 – Desean Jackson
2011 – Vick YPA 7.8 – Desean Jackson
2012 – Vick YPA 6.7 - Desean Jackson Hurt

When Reid has talented speed players, he is more likely to throw it deep. He's wasn't forcing it deep to Riley Cooper last year.

htismaqe · 01-27-2013, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Setsuna

Soooo did Wilson redeem himself?

Looked like the best QB there to me.

milkman · 01-27-2013, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Rambozo

I can't seem to find 20+ yard attempts and you probably have to have a PFF or ESPN Insider subscription to have that but, Clayton's stats can prove my point. I would like to go further back if someone has access to those stats.

2009 – McNabb YPA 8.0 – Desean Jackson
2010 – Vick YPA 8.1 – Desean Jackson
2011 – Vick YPA 7.8 – Desean Jackson
2012 – Vick YPA 6.7 - Desean Jackson Hurt

When Reid has talented speed players, he is more likely to throw it deep. He's wasn't forcing it deep to Riley Cooper last year.

The numbers in '08, '11, and '12 show the fallacy of your argument.

Setsuna · 01-27-2013, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Looked like the best QB there to me.

Good, that's good. You think Manuel rocketed himself to the 2nd round? I just want Bray to be far down on people's boards in terms of QBs.

htismaqe · 01-27-2013, 02:10 PM

Sorry Bob, but you're absolutely, unequivocally wrong.

ESPN.com provides splits, free of charge, and they track passes IN THE AIR (back to 2002).

Let just take 3 years from each "period" that you've chosen as your sample.

2010 - 64 attempts over 20 yards, 11 over 40 yards
2009 - 48 attempts over 20 yards, 12 over 40 yards
2008 - 62 attempts over 20 yards, 11 over 40 yards

2004 - 71 attempts over 20 yards, TWENTY EIGHT over 40 yards
2003 - 63 attempts over 20 yards, 6 over 40 yards
2002 - 48 attempts over 20 yards, 8 over 40 yards

2004 WRs were Todd Pinkston, Terrell Owens, and Freddie Mitchell. No Maclin, no Jackson.

You're wrong dude, you're just wrong.

htismaqe · 01-27-2013, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Setsuna

Good, that's good. You think Manuel rocketed himself to the 2nd round? I just want Bray to be far down on people's boards in terms of QBs.

Not to me, no.

I still think Manuel is 3rd-rounder at best.

**SAUTO** · 01-27-2013, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Rambozo

I can't seem to find 20+ yard attempts and you probably have to have a PFF or ESPN Insider subscription to have that but, Clayton's stats can prove my point. I would like to go further back if someone has access to those stats.

2009 – McNabb YPA 8.0 – Desean Jackson
2010 – Vick YPA 8.1 – Desean Jackson
2011 – Vick YPA 7.8 – Desean Jackson
2012 – Vick YPA 6.7 - Desean Jackson Hurt

When Reid has talented speed players, he is more likely to throw it deep. He's wasn't forcing it deep to Riley Cooper last year.

couldn't 2012s numbers have been lower because their offensive line was mostly hurt and the replacements sucked, therefore the coaches couldn't call as many long passes?
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Rambozo · 01-27-2013, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

The numbers in '08, '11, and '12 show the fallacy of your argument.

I missed 2008 but, they had Jackson. However, it was his rookie year and he averaged 14.7 YPR. The lowest average of his career and the lowest average out of all the other guys I mentioned (T.O., Stallworth, etc.). Also, he didn't start every game.

Where am I off on 2011-2012?

ShowtimeSBMVP · 01-27-2013, 02:19 PM

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Source: "I can almost assure you that the Kansas City Chiefs will start a veteran at the QB position in 2013."

htismaqe · 01-27-2013, 02:20 PM

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Shawn Zobel ‏@ShawnZobel_DHQ

Source: "I can almost assure you that the Kansas City Chiefs will start a veteran at the QB position in 2013."

I can almost assure you that the Kansas City Chiefs will have 20K open seats on any given Sunday.

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