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Old 03-23-2009, 08:44 PM  
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Old 09-20-2013, 10:36 PM   #3706
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Walt is a wonderful character. He's dynamic, layered, and flawed. That said, even the most interesting of characters are not automatically sympathetic simply because they are interesting. Walt was a sympathetic character. He no longer is.
It's kind of the whole point of the show. It's in the damned title.
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Old 09-21-2013, 12:52 AM   #3707
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For God's sake people. It's a ****ing TV show. In the context of the TV show, ratting someone out is the ultimate sin.
And poisoning the kid of the girl your associate is dating is NOT a sin? A sin big enough to justify Jesse being angry enough to rat Walt out?
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Old 09-21-2013, 06:26 AM   #3708
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And poisoning the kid of the girl your associate is dating is NOT a sin? A sin big enough to justify Jesse being angry enough to rat Walt out?
He had the gasoline and the match. Just light it. It wasn't just Walt he ratted out. By talking, he ratted out everyone connected to them.
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Old 09-21-2013, 07:05 AM   #3709
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Old 09-21-2013, 09:56 AM   #3710
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Old 09-21-2013, 01:41 PM   #3711
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So what?

You seem to think that committing a heinous act is just fine as long as you can justify it by saying that Walt did it "in order to survive".
I just put it all into perspective. He's a drug manufacturer/dealer. I'm not sure what kind of virtue you expect to come from that.

And again... He's one of many people who's committed heinous acts.
Why is he any more evil than anyone else?

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I'm not sure I ever said it was okay. I said I understood it.
And if you can see the immorality in this, surely you can see the problem with pulling the trigger...

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Saying that he did "in order to survive" doesn't magically make it OK. The same goes for allowing Jane to die, murdering Mike, arranging the murders of a dozen guys in jail, and poisoning Brock.

How can you not understand that? Are you a sociopath?
Can you put the Ten Commandment tablets down a sec and recognize that we're talking about a television show?
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Old 09-21-2013, 01:45 PM   #3712
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Your problem is your inability to construct an argument that isn't a false binary. Who here has suggested that Jesse, Hank, Skyler, or anyone in this show who isn't a child or Steve Gomez is completely absent blame and wholly innocent?
The people who keep insisting that Jesse Pinkman is the moral center of the show.
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Old 09-21-2013, 01:58 PM   #3713
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I support Walt.

Mostly because this is a TV show. He's not, you know... a real person.
You're interrupting their moral handwringing, sir!
You must be another one of those depraved Walter White sympathizers. You're going to bust Hell wide open!
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Old 09-21-2013, 02:10 PM   #3714
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The people who keep insisting that Jesse Pinkman is the moral center of the show.
B.S.

Someone who has the correct view that Jesse is the show's moral center must also be someone who recognizes that no one on the show that isn't a child (or Gomie, I suppose) is blameless.
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Old 09-21-2013, 02:38 PM   #3715
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I think whether or not Walt remains sympathetic is intentionally up to the viewer.
Even though he's gone way beyond the pale there's still part of me that wants him to somehow get away. I know he can't, really, but I don't find myself thinking, "I can't wait until they get Walt." It's part of what makes the show great. They want you to be conflicted. It's by design.
Yes, they're pushing Walt further and further into darkness, but they no doubt want at least some people, in some way, to want to see Walt keep going- keep getting "lucky". To win in some fashion.
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Old 09-21-2013, 02:55 PM   #3716
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I'm not really rooting for anyone. I just watch it and am entertained by it. They've all done bad things so whatever happens is ok by me. Kinda feel bad for Pinkman currently though. That dude has gotten the shit kicked out of him like 100 times lol. Poor guy.
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I don't feel bad for Pinkman. He coulda taken the money and split instead of throwing it out the window like a ****ing moron.
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Old 09-21-2013, 04:41 PM   #3718
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B.S.

Someone who has the correct view that Jesse is the show's moral center must also be someone who recognizes that no one on the show that isn't a child (or Gomie, I suppose) is blameless.
Fair enough. Just assume no one has that point of view and that I made it up.
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Old 09-21-2013, 06:28 PM   #3719
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B.S.

Someone who has the correct view that Jesse is the show's moral center must also be someone who recognizes that no one on the show that isn't a child (or Gomie, I suppose) is blameless.
Dude murdered someone in cold blood. I get the moral center argument, but it does seem weak.
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Old 09-21-2013, 07:15 PM   #3720
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Dude murdered someone in cold blood. I get the moral center argument, but it does seem weak.
I guess the argument would be that he seems like the only one that feels any guilt for his actions.
But I don't really know why it matters who the moral center is. Pinkman is more conflicted about what they've done, sure, but is there really much nobility in feeling guilty for what you've done?
Jesse might be the moral center, but Walt's the protagonist, he's the story center, for good or bad.
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