Conservatives - Page 3

oleman47 · 05-09-2001, 03:28 PM

I think that the core concept of the new conservaticism is racial profiling. The outgrowth of the successful policy called the "southern strategy" to appeal to racism and stereotypes has worked to an amazing degree. To see the crap on this BBS is sick. This is not a matter of "culturism" this is blatant, core value racism. What is sad is the almost univeral acceptance by those opposed and the proponents.

**ExtremeChief** · 05-09-2001, 08:35 PM

As much as I would like to continue to let you think it's just you...it's not. Raderhader and myself have also been having problems...

how much for a T1???

Joe Seahawk · 05-09-2001, 08:36 PM

It's not just you oleman...

The planet is not working normally tonight...

There is no vast right wing conspiricy to keep oleman's liberal views off the planet...

So you can relax now....:)

**ExtremeChief** · 05-09-2001, 08:39 PM

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by LapDog [/i] [B]We need to stop labeling people and start listening to their perspectives. [/B][/QUOTE]

thank you, thank you, thank you....

couldn't have said it better himself...

sun · 05-09-2001, 09:37 PM

anytime you say anything with these blanks filled in: all _______ are ________, it is a racist statement.......so, oleman when you say all conservatives are rasists, you sir are also a racist.........btw......my daddy can beat up your daddy

oleman47 · 05-09-2001, 10:02 PM

All women are beautiful.

sun · 05-09-2001, 10:06 PM

thats just plain wrong........lol

oleman47 · 05-09-2001, 10:07 PM

Sun
I didn't just say conservatives, I said new conservatives which goes to other threads and posts. I think the southern strategy of the Repubs is basically racial profiling which in turn I believe is racist. My dad was a story teller, not a fighter. Your dad would have loved him.

LapDog · 05-09-2001, 10:27 PM

oleman-

Oh, well that's a different thing, then.

Not ALL conservatives, just all of the Republicans in the south.
;)

LapDog

sun · 05-09-2001, 10:33 PM

my opinion is explained in my sensitive thread.......i dont care what kind of conservatives you think they are, i just dont want to have to hear anyone's drivel about it

05-09-2001, 10:51 PM

I composed a lengthy response as the first post on this topic and I see that the bits never made it through cyberland....

Oh well.

I have a LOT of thoughts on this topic and am an admitted reformed racist. I used to use the N word in my younger days and I'm not proud of it. Suffice it to say, I was ignorant and misguided and thrown into a bad situation.

I grew up in a small Iowa town of 8000 people. Essentially, there was one black family and I had the honor of being in the same class as one of their children. He was raised in a white culture but embraced the urban stereotypes. He had a car that you can imagine many urban black kids had in the mid-80's. Until I joined the Marine Corps, that was basically my only experience with black folks. When I got to my duty station, I was placed in a barracks with Service Company people on one side (legal assistants, computer people, and administrative). On the other side was a Communications Company. These were the people that pulled the cables for phones & other things on base and when deployed, in the field. Not nearly the "glamorous" desk jobs the Service Company people had. For some reason, these Cable Dogs (as they called themselves) were 80% black. Many were your urban blacks and as you can imagine, I was immediately turned off.

To make a long story not quite as long as it could be, I struggled with my racism until I had children of my own and decided that it wasn't a very good example for them so I made an effort to get past it and educate myself. I no longer consider myself a racist but have been labeled one many times for my views - especially on the KC.com BB. I don't care what anyone else thinks of me. I know my heart and I'm fine with my attitude towards people that are different than me. FWIW, I am not quite as at ease with black folks as I'd like to be but I experience the same problem with other cultures such as goth kids, rednecks, hispanics, asian, filthy rich whites, dirt poor whites, lawyers, etc. Everyone has a certain level of discomfort with people that aren't the same as they are. Once one is able to accept that without labeling, one will feel more in tune with reality.

FWIW, I most identified with LapDog's comments on this topic. I look forward to clarifying anything that may be misconstrued from my post....

Good day!

**Rausch** · 05-10-2001, 12:38 AM

I think a lot of our problems with PC and this new sensitivity is that people like to ignore their own unfavorable weaknesses.

I'm almost 100% german ancestry. And am I stubborn, you bet. Bad. It's a terrible weakness of mine. Do I have a bad habbit of holding grudges? Yep. Unfortunately, guilty. Do I eat like a horse and drink like a fish? Guilty.

THe only sterotype I AM NOT as far as being german, is that of the Nazi germany evil. Some in my extended family are racist. BAD. I am not. Thankfully, I have convinced my grandparents against it. They no longer are.

But the ugly truth is, 7 of 10 times sterotypes ARE true. THAT'S WHY ITS A STEROTYPE, MOST PEOPLE OF ONE religon/gender/nationality behave or act in certian ways. I am your sterotypical german, minus the racism and bigotry...

The force behind the pc garbage is that MANY people try to OVERCOME those weaknesses, those weaknesses that are either genetic or taught shortly after birth. Then after the strugle to improve yourself, someone falsely labels you a (fill in the black.) Is it enough to make you screaming mad? Yeah, it is..

But is it true? Yeah, a lot of the time, for a lot of people, it is....

I can't speak for anything other than midwestern germans, and those I've talked with, but I know that most germans in my area are 75% the stereotypical German. Stubborn, easily angered, and determined. THose aren't necessarily good qualities all the time, and putting a mirror in front of some people makes them uneasy. Which is a GOOD thing...

LapDog · 05-10-2001, 12:43 AM

Brad,

ditto! That echos many of my points. I didn't think of the "that's why their stereotypes" comment, although my friend and I have discussed it in the past.

Midwestern German here too, but none in my family are blatant racists. Maybe your family immigrated more recently than mine or something. Stubborn, yep. Not so easy to anger any more, probably due to age, but man when I'm pissed, watch out!

LD

keg in kc · 05-10-2001, 12:45 AM

Lots of us Germans here (the "G" in "Kyle G." is for "Geiger").

Good to know I'm not the only heavy-drinking fatass bastard on the board.

Of course I'm also Cherokee, Dutch, British, French and some other things, too.

**Rausch** · 05-10-2001, 12:51 AM

My great grandparents left Germany before WW I, due to their disagreement with (sound familar?) the country's reasoning for the war.

Me and my grandparents had a long struggle with racism.Why? My family was poor, humble, and Catholic. They had little, but they had morals. What they failed to realize was that due to where we lived, not only the Black people, but ALL the people around us were worhtless trash. NOn-caring, stealing, scum of society.

Somehow, when its YOUR color you seem to see them in a kinder light. Luckily, I brought a black friend of mine to their house one Easter. He hated BBQ, he was SUPER intelligent, and not in the least athletic. Everything the exact OPPOSITE of the black sterotype. And they got to the point they said: "Those damned n....! Well, of course, except for CHarles.."

THen they finally got to realize, if Charles wasn't the sterotype, might be that MANY people aren't what you think they are. Thank God they lost a terrible character flaw, but it took them 70 years to do so...

Have hope, the biggots of today may not be tommorow. Forgiveness is a virtue. And people learn more from an outstreatched hand, than a closed fist.

Again, most people don't see their own ugly, that's why they fight the sterotype. Then again, some sterotypes are just lies and wishfull thinking of biggots.

**Rausch** · 05-10-2001, 12:55 AM

LMAO!!! A German writer, who drinks, and eats like a horse? Man, we have NO HOPE!

I'D LOVE to be a published novellist/poet one day. Of course, no one will like ANY of my work, then I'll die poor and alone. Then, like clockwork, 200 years later I'm a genious! They'll teach my writings in Lit class!

Bastiches!!!! LOL

05-09-2001, 08:35 PM	#31
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05-09-2001, 08:36 PM	#32
Joe Seahawk This place entertains.. Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Seattle Casino cash: $6814435	It's not just you oleman... The planet is not working normally tonight... There is no vast right wing conspiricy to keep oleman's liberal views off the planet... So you can relax now....:)
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05-09-2001, 08:39 PM	#33
ExtremeChief Poser Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: BFE, MO Casino cash: $9991344	[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by LapDog [/i] [B]We need to stop labeling people and start listening to their perspectives. [/B][/QUOTE] thank you, thank you, thank you.... couldn't have said it better himself... __________________ When you wish upon a falling star, your dreams can come true. Unless it's really a meteorite hurtling to the Earth which will destroy all life. Then you're pretty much hosed no matter what you wish for. Unless it's death by meteor.
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05-09-2001, 09:37 PM	#34
sun Tacklen' Fuel Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Farmington, Mo. Casino cash: $10004900	anytime you say anything with these blanks filled in: all _______ are ________, it is a racist statement.......so, oleman when you say all conservatives are rasists, you sir are also a racist.........btw......my daddy can beat up your daddy __________________ "they'll turn us all into beggars cause they're easier to please, i aint gonna eat no government cheese"......the Rainmakers
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05-09-2001, 03:28 PM
oleman47 Starter Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Wichita Casino cash: $10004900	I think that the core concept of the new conservaticism is racial profiling. The outgrowth of the successful policy called the "southern strategy" to appeal to racism and stereotypes has worked to an amazing degree. To see the crap on this BBS is sick. This is not a matter of "culturism" this is blatant, core value racism. What is sad is the almost univeral acceptance by those opposed and the proponents.
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05-09-2001, 10:06 PM	#36
sun Tacklen' Fuel Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Farmington, Mo. Casino cash: $10004900	thats just plain wrong........lol __________________ "they'll turn us all into beggars cause they're easier to please, i aint gonna eat no government cheese"......the Rainmakers
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05-09-2001, 10:07 PM	#37
oleman47 Starter Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Wichita Casino cash: $10004900	Sun I didn't just say conservatives, I said new conservatives which goes to other threads and posts. I think the southern strategy of the Repubs is basically racial profiling which in turn I believe is racist. My dad was a story teller, not a fighter. Your dad would have loved him.
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05-09-2001, 10:27 PM	#38
LapDog Interloper Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: KC Northland Casino cash: $10004900	oleman- Oh, well that's a different thing, then. Not ALL conservatives, just all of the Republicans in the south. ;) LapDog
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05-09-2001, 10:33 PM	#39
sun Tacklen' Fuel Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Farmington, Mo. Casino cash: $10004900	my opinion is explained in my sensitive thread.......i dont care what kind of conservatives you think they are, i just dont want to have to hear anyone's drivel about it __________________ "they'll turn us all into beggars cause they're easier to please, i aint gonna eat no government cheese"......the Rainmakers
Posts: 388

05-09-2001, 10:51 PM	#40
Phobia Guest Casino cash: $	dammit I composed a lengthy response as the first post on this topic and I see that the bits never made it through cyberland.... Oh well. I have a LOT of thoughts on this topic and am an admitted reformed racist. I used to use the N word in my younger days and I'm not proud of it. Suffice it to say, I was ignorant and misguided and thrown into a bad situation. I grew up in a small Iowa town of 8000 people. Essentially, there was one black family and I had the honor of being in the same class as one of their children. He was raised in a white culture but embraced the urban stereotypes. He had a car that you can imagine many urban black kids had in the mid-80's. Until I joined the Marine Corps, that was basically my only experience with black folks. When I got to my duty station, I was placed in a barracks with Service Company people on one side (legal assistants, computer people, and administrative). On the other side was a Communications Company. These were the people that pulled the cables for phones & other things on base and when deployed, in the field. Not nearly the "glamorous" desk jobs the Service Company people had. For some reason, these Cable Dogs (as they called themselves) were 80% black. Many were your urban blacks and as you can imagine, I was immediately turned off. To make a long story not quite as long as it could be, I struggled with my racism until I had children of my own and decided that it wasn't a very good example for them so I made an effort to get past it and educate myself. I no longer consider myself a racist but have been labeled one many times for my views - especially on the KC.com BB. I don't care what anyone else thinks of me. I know my heart and I'm fine with my attitude towards people that are different than me. FWIW, I am not quite as at ease with black folks as I'd like to be but I experience the same problem with other cultures such as goth kids, rednecks, hispanics, asian, filthy rich whites, dirt poor whites, lawyers, etc. Everyone has a certain level of discomfort with people that aren't the same as they are. Once one is able to accept that without labeling, one will feel more in tune with reality. FWIW, I most identified with LapDog's comments on this topic. I look forward to clarifying anything that may be misconstrued from my post.... Good day!
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05-10-2001, 12:43 AM	#42
LapDog Interloper Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: KC Northland Casino cash: $10004900	Brad, ditto! That echos many of my points. I didn't think of the "that's why their stereotypes" comment, although my friend and I have discussed it in the past. Midwestern German here too, but none in my family are blatant racists. Maybe your family immigrated more recently than mine or something. Stubborn, yep. Not so easy to anger any more, probably due to age, but man when I'm pissed, watch out! LD
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05-10-2001, 12:45 AM	#43
keg in kc oxymoron Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: OP/KC/Whatever Casino cash: $9556299	Lots of us Germans here (the "G" in "Kyle G." is for "Geiger"). Good to know I'm not the only heavy-drinking fatass bastard on the board. Of course I'm also Cherokee, Dutch, British, French and some other things, too.
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