Your feelings on Herman Edwards, head coach of the Kansas City Chiefs - Page 2

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 11-15-2007, 03:31 AM

I'll start with my own. I really like Herm and fully believe that he has the ability to take us all the way. He has a great eye for talent, and he knows how to get the best out of his players. For him to take the team that we had last year and get us in the playoffs was a feat of greatness. I think that if he had complete control of football operations we would be a Super Bowl contending team within 3 years. So as you can see I'm pretty high on the guy.

How about you? What are the pros, and the cons? Were you happy when we hired him? How about now? If you were going to replace him who would be your first reasonable choice?

Reerun_KC · 11-15-2007, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Nzoner

I hated the decision as soon as it was announced and then last New Year's Eve in a must win game against the Jags our team came out and nothing but nothing was held back.A flea flicker for a td,a halfback option that almost worked etc.

Watching Herm's post game I heard him say it was do or die,he said all the right things and based on the game I had just witnessed I thought maybe the guy isn't all bad and then came the play-off game and it was as if the week before had been a dream,a dream too good to be true and so I found myself back where I had started,I hated the decision then and I hate it more now.

Arena football scores or not,it's the NFL of the 21st century and unfortunately Herm is a 19th century coach,

20th century was a little to considerate.

**Nzoner** · 11-15-2007, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

20th century was a little to considerate.

bada bing

Chiefnj2 · 11-15-2007, 08:29 AM

I hope Herm goes to the Broncos.

trndobrd · 11-15-2007, 08:55 AM

I like that he can effectively evaluate talent and is willing to play younger players. I particularly like the defense he is building.

He needs an experienced offensive coordinator, more importantly, he needs to love the deep ball. It will be interesting in the coming weeks if Herm follow his mentor Tony Dungy and opens up now that he has a QB capable of throwing over 20 yards.

**jjchieffan** · 11-15-2007, 09:24 AM

I personally think Herm is great at evaluating talent, and the Jury is still out on whether or not he knows how to first we need to fix the O-line. If he and Solari still cannot generate an offense, then changes need to be made. Carl, on the other hand, has had 19 years and needs to go now. Wouldn't it be something to see Carl go, and then a year or 2 later, see his last coaching hire win the SB?

Chiefnj2 · 11-15-2007, 09:39 AM

Where is the great evaluator of talent coming from?

Does this past draft look that good other than Bowe? Did his decisions regarding the OL in the offseason pan out?

**HemiEd** · 11-15-2007, 09:42 AM

I think Herm is only exceeded in his stupidity by Gunther. He is not smart enough to compete and win in the current NFL.
Here are the facts, check the excuses at the door.
1) In less than two years, the vaunted Chiefs offense is now a laughing stock.
2) In his first year, he took a 10-6 team he inherited and hit the lottery at 9-7, getting a birth in the playoffs.
3) He was brain dead in the playoff game, totally embarrassing for any Chief fan.
4) He has improved the defense, by totally turning over the roster except for his best player which he inherited from the DV era.
5) His first draft, IS NOT, working out so well this year.
6) He has done a HORRIBLE job picking his assistants IMO.

**jjchieffan** · 11-15-2007, 09:49 AM

Well, the defense has improved drastically since he has been here. If that wasn't due to his ability to evaluate talent, then I don't know how we did it.

Fish · 11-15-2007, 09:49 AM

I've noticed that Herm's approval rating is in direct correlation to his W/L record. The weeks after a win, people warm up to him, but after a loss it's back to calling for his head. Two straight losses, and he's the worst coach in the world.

Seriously.... look at how closely his approval rating mirrors the outcome of the game.

I bet if we did a thread exactly like this after every game, it would show the same trend....

The short-sightedness of some fans frustrates me.....

**morphius** · 11-15-2007, 09:50 AM

I believe that he has a fairly good eye for talent, especially when looking at the D side of the ball. I don't believe he should have any input at all into an offensive scheme or game plan, and only being really good at 1/3 of the game will keep his teams from ever going very far. He still lives in the shadow of Marty, but lacks the GM who will take control away and open up the offense. Until he understands that while running the ball is great, that the rules have really changed to allow moving the ball through the air much easier.

**Donger** · 11-15-2007, 09:50 AM

He's okay, he's okay. But, he does flustrate me a little.

Zouk · 11-15-2007, 10:48 AM

Excellent track record.

Playoffs in 4 of 6 years, even though he's had Pennington, an end-of-the-road concussed Green, and Huard as his QBs.

His teams consistently are near the top of the league in fewest penalties and best turnover margin - signs of being well coached.

Every single player that has played for him over 7 years has liked and respected him, and has said that he got them motivated to play very hard.

His track record is similar to a pre-Manning Dungy or a pre-Brady Belichick, which tells me that if he ever gets a really good QB, he can bring us a Super Bowl.

Reerun_KC · 11-15-2007, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by KC Fish

I've noticed that Herm's approval rating is in direct correlation to his W/L record. The weeks after a win, people warm up to him, but after a loss it's back to calling for his head. Two straight losses, and he's the worst coach in the world.

Seriously.... look at how closely his approval rating mirrors the outcome of the game.

I bet if we did a thread exactly like this after every game, it would show the same trend....

The short-sightedness of some fans frustrates me.....

Thanks, but no Thanks, KC FISH.... Never ever should of been hired in the first place.

**HemiEd** · 11-15-2007, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Thanks, but no Thanks, KC FISH.... Never ever should of been hired in the first place.

We got Crap for at least two different 4th round picks.

kcfanXIII · 11-15-2007, 11:07 AM

his eye for talent is good, ability to motivate players is good, defensively he has turned things around. while i agree that he is partially to blame, i think the decline of the offense has more to do with losing 2 HOF O-lineman, and the lack of a legitimate replacement at QB. then there is the solari factor, who reminds me of your buddies little brother who'll listen to 15 minutes of a conversation then spout off to his friends like he's an expert. herm needs to man up, and toss solari to the curb. i will never call for a coaches job until he's had 3 years to install his players, coaches, and philosophy. any less than 3 years and you become a dog chasing his tail, constantly cycling through coaches before their full effect on the team is judged.

that being said, his offensive smarts are a HUGE negative, and would not be opposed to him handing over control of the offense to a WELL QUALIFIED OC.

11-15-2007, 03:31 AM
Mr. Flopnuts FINALLY! The wait is over. Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The Future Is Now!!! Casino cash: $19947565	Your feelings on Herman Edwards, head coach of the Kansas City Chiefs I'll start with my own. I really like Herm and fully believe that he has the ability to take us all the way. He has a great eye for talent, and he knows how to get the best out of his players. For him to take the team that we had last year and get us in the playoffs was a feat of greatness. I think that if he had complete control of football operations we would be a Super Bowl contending team within 3 years. So as you can see I'm pretty high on the guy. How about you? What are the pros, and the cons? Were you happy when we hired him? How about now? If you were going to replace him who would be your first reasonable choice?
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11-15-2007, 08:29 AM	#18
Chiefnj2 In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Casino cash: $7883688	I hope Herm goes to the Broncos. __________________ Mismanaging the clock.
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11-15-2007, 08:55 AM	#19
trndobrd 'Stachecicle Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Tolerance Box Casino cash: $4985087	I like that he can effectively evaluate talent and is willing to play younger players. I particularly like the defense he is building. He needs an experienced offensive coordinator, more importantly, he needs to love the deep ball. It will be interesting in the coming weeks if Herm follow his mentor Tony Dungy and opens up now that he has a QB capable of throwing over 20 yards. __________________ "I don't really think there is a need to raise or debate this point." -jAZ
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11-15-2007, 09:24 AM	#20
jjchieffan Supporter Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Highlandville, MO Casino cash: $3432247	I personally think Herm is great at evaluating talent, and the Jury is still out on whether or not he knows how to first we need to fix the O-line. If he and Solari still cannot generate an offense, then changes need to be made. Carl, on the other hand, has had 19 years and needs to go now. Wouldn't it be something to see Carl go, and then a year or 2 later, see his last coaching hire win the SB?
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11-15-2007, 09:39 AM	#21
Chiefnj2 In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Casino cash: $7883688	Where is the great evaluator of talent coming from? Does this past draft look that good other than Bowe? Did his decisions regarding the OL in the offseason pan out? __________________ Mismanaging the clock.
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11-15-2007, 09:42 AM	#22
HemiEd Supporter Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ozarks Casino cash: $3310564	I think Herm is only exceeded in his stupidity by Gunther. He is not smart enough to compete and win in the current NFL. Here are the facts, check the excuses at the door. 1) In less than two years, the vaunted Chiefs offense is now a laughing stock. 2) In his first year, he took a 10-6 team he inherited and hit the lottery at 9-7, getting a birth in the playoffs. 3) He was brain dead in the playoff game, totally embarrassing for any Chief fan. 4) He has improved the defense, by totally turning over the roster except for his best player which he inherited from the DV era. 5) His first draft, IS NOT, working out so well this year. 6) He has done a HORRIBLE job picking his assistants IMO.
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11-15-2007, 09:49 AM	#23
jjchieffan Supporter Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Highlandville, MO Casino cash: $3432247	Well, the defense has improved drastically since he has been here. If that wasn't due to his ability to evaluate talent, then I don't know how we did it.
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11-15-2007, 09:49 AM	#24
Fish Ain't no relax! Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $2308919	I've noticed that Herm's approval rating is in direct correlation to his W/L record. The weeks after a win, people warm up to him, but after a loss it's back to calling for his head. Two straight losses, and he's the worst coach in the world. Seriously.... look at how closely his approval rating mirrors the outcome of the game. I bet if we did a thread exactly like this after every game, it would show the same trend.... The short-sightedness of some fans frustrates me..... __________________
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11-15-2007, 09:50 AM	#25
morphius World's finest morphius Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $6965027	I believe that he has a fairly good eye for talent, especially when looking at the D side of the ball. I don't believe he should have any input at all into an offensive scheme or game plan, and only being really good at 1/3 of the game will keep his teams from ever going very far. He still lives in the shadow of Marty, but lacks the GM who will take control away and open up the offense. Until he understands that while running the ball is great, that the rules have really changed to allow moving the ball through the air much easier.
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11-15-2007, 09:50 AM	#26
Donger "Think BOOM!" Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: 33.675° N 106.475° W Casino cash: $10379900 VARSITY	He's okay, he's okay. But, he does flustrate me a little. __________________ I think the young people enjoy it when I "get down," verbally, don't you?
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11-15-2007, 10:48 AM	#27
Zouk Veteran Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: DC Casino cash: $10004900	Excellent track record. Playoffs in 4 of 6 years, even though he's had Pennington, an end-of-the-road concussed Green, and Huard as his QBs. His teams consistently are near the top of the league in fewest penalties and best turnover margin - signs of being well coached. Every single player that has played for him over 7 years has liked and respected him, and has said that he got them motivated to play very hard. His track record is similar to a pre-Manning Dungy or a pre-Brady Belichick, which tells me that if he ever gets a really good QB, he can bring us a Super Bowl.
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11-15-2007, 11:07 AM	#30
kcfanXIII Ride on! Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Galaxy far far away Casino cash: $10013172	his eye for talent is good, ability to motivate players is good, defensively he has turned things around. while i agree that he is partially to blame, i think the decline of the offense has more to do with losing 2 HOF O-lineman, and the lack of a legitimate replacement at QB. then there is the solari factor, who reminds me of your buddies little brother who'll listen to 15 minutes of a conversation then spout off to his friends like he's an expert. herm needs to man up, and toss solari to the curb. i will never call for a coaches job until he's had 3 years to install his players, coaches, and philosophy. any less than 3 years and you become a dog chasing his tail, constantly cycling through coaches before their full effect on the team is judged. that being said, his offensive smarts are a HUGE negative, and would not be opposed to him handing over control of the offense to a WELL QUALIFIED OC. __________________ Faster, faster, until the thrill of speed, overcomes the fear of death.
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