Football Peter King: You have to go back to 1997 to find a draft like this one - Page 9

Deberg_1990 · 02-19-2013, 07:53 AM

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You'd probably have to go back to 1997 to find a draft like this one. That's the year Peyton Manning eschewed the prospect of going to the Jets first overall to play for Bill Parcells and returned for his senior year at Tennessee. One quarterback (shaky Jim Druckenmiller, 26th) picked in round one. Two backs (Warrick Dunn 12th and Antowain Smith 23rd) in round one, and four receivers in the first: Ike Hilliard seventh, Yatil Green 15th, Reidel Anthony 16th and Rae Carruth 27th. Yikes! What a horrible draft for point-producers. One star, Dunn, out of seven first-rounders.

That could repeat this year. It's likely Alabama's Eddie Lacy will be the only running back taken in round one. Tennessee's Cordarrelle Patterson leads the muddled pack at wide receiver, but how sure can you really be of junior-college transfers who play one year of major-college football, which is Patterson's profile?

The quarterbacks are a total mish-mosh at this point. One GM interested in acquiring a quarterback this offseason told me over the weekend, "I expect more attention on the quarterbacks throwing this year than on any other single thing at the Combine.'' Some think Geno Smith of West Virginia will go first overall to quarterback-needy Kansas City; one personnel man who studied all the top quarterbacks for a team in need of one last fall told me, "There's not one quarterback, including Smith, I would take in the first round."

Two points about that. If you need a quarterback, you can talk brave in February, but when reality sets in around draft day, and you haven't picked up a quarterback in free agency, all of a sudden the zits on Smith, Matt Barkley and other others don't seem as bad. And we're nine and a half weeks from round one. There's no way that Andy Reid and John Dorsey, the coach and GM for Kansas City, know what they're doing now. They need time to investigate and to watch tape on the eight or 10 quarterbacks.

But in some ways, 2013 should be a catchup year for the other positions. Opening day 2013 could feature 12 starting quarterbacks drafted in 2011 and '12; that's far, far above the norm in a game that values veteran arms at the position.

Now for a couple of notes about players at the Combine.

Alec Ogletree. The underclass inside linebacker from Georgia would be a clear top-10 pick with a clean resume. But he was suspended the first four games of last season for failing an offseason drug test, and then came the news Saturday night, via ProFootballTalk.com, that Ogletree recently was pinched for driving while intoxicated.

Ogletree and agent Pat Dye were smart to come out and beat the police blotter to the punch. As for the damage done by the arrest, Ogletree, who is a speed demon for an inside player, the kind of player who, if right, would be a perfect fit as a rare three-down inside linebacker for any team, has to convince teams they shouldn't be worried about a player who has tested positive, been suspended, and gotten a DWI in the span of about nine months.

Some GM is going to stake his reputation on Ogletree in the first round, most likely. Which GM? It would have to be a secure one. Green Bay's Ted Thompson or de facto GM Bill Belichick of the Patriots or Baltimore's Ozzie Newsome, all down near the bottom of the round.

Manti Te'o. The Notre Dame linebacker has spent a lot of time practicing football and practicing what he's going to say to teams. His last game, against Alabama, was a nightmare (he was awful, and overpowered), and then the whole fake girlfriend story came up, making him a national story and, in some quarters, a national joke. It won't matter much how he works out in Indianapolis. What will matter are the 15-minute interviews he'll have in formal evening sessions with teams, and in less formal settings, seeing coaches and personnel people at the stadium and around his hotel.

No men have more on the line, off the field, at the Scouting Combine than Ogletree and Te'o.

Finally, three players I'll be watching at the Combine, three with question marks and debatable upsides:

1. Quarterback Sean Renfree, Duke. No one's talking about him, but he completed 70 percent of his throws in six of 12 games for David Cutcliffe last fall, was a comeback specialist, and has the pedigree in a good pro-style offense to play early. Could he be more than a late-round flyer, this year's Ryan Lindley? We'll see.

2. Cornerback Xavier Rhodes, Florida State. A 6-2 cornerback in a league demanding cover guys who can play on islands more and more? Scouts want to see if Rhodes, who is a heady player with good bump skills at the line of scrimmage, has the speed to stay with fast wideouts. If so, he'll be a top-half-of-the-first-round player.

3. Running back Marcus Lattimore, South Carolina. After his devastating dislocated knee and torn knee ligaments in October, Lattimore, considered a certain first-rounder before the injury, is still in recovery mode. His surgeon, James Andrews, told Lattimore recently that he's going to shock the world. "I hear he's working out great,'' said Mayock. Lattimore believes he'll be healthy enough to start the 2013 NFL season. Is he's a fourth-round minefield pick? Or might some team desperate for a back go for him a round earlier -- or even late in the second round?

Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl...#ixzz2LLwcLLId

Deberg_1990 · 02-19-2013, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by GoWalrus

The top QB prospect that year Jim Drunkenmiller.

He threw 31 TDs in college.

And somehow he's compared to Geno?

Hell, there are like 4 guys who are better QB prospects this year.

useless info...but interesting..

the top Qbs taken that year turned out to be Jake Plummer 2nd, Jake Delhomme and Jon Kitna undrafted...

The Chiefs took Pat Barnes in the 4th.

**Bowser** · 02-19-2013, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

In Teicher's latest mock, that stupid mother****er actually wrote "better safe than sorry" as a part of his justification for drafting a DT 1/1.

That's how ****ing stupid he is. As if someone who follows the Chiefs closely, allegedly, shouldn't know that there's nothing "safe" about drafting any player, much less a defensive lineman.

Why couldn't this ****ing moron have recently been vacationing in the Ural Mountains?

**buddha** · 02-19-2013, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser

I say we do a reverse draft this year. Take seventh round talent in the first, sixth in the second, and so on!

We've already tried that...the problem is that we stop at fourth round talent and go down again.

Andy Reid is NOT going to stiff us with another terrible QB, either through the draft or through free agency. Dude is silly smart...he really is. He used to be my brother's coach in college. He is also really cagey. I think Jaz's comments about trusting THIS particular guy are spot on. There are plenty of "professionals" who should have never been trusted in the past, but that's all in the past.

BigCatDaddy · 02-19-2013, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ptlyon

Nice thought. But unfortunately no nfl team is stupid enough to believe these jackasses that none of the qbs in the draft aren't worth taking in the 1st round. They will all be scooped up. If kc misses the boat then they were just stupid.

Sarcasm meter...

**RealSNR** · 02-19-2013, 12:40 PM

I thought you all should know that Knowmo is slightly cheating on his self-imposed bet ban. He sent me a rep message with a tweet from some guy that said if the draft were this year, Brock Osweiler would be a first round pick, and possibly the first QB taken or some shit like that.

That's bullshit. Geno, Barkley, and Glennon have nearly twice the starting experience in college that Tannehill and Osweiler did. If Osweiler would have been the top QB this year it's because he played like it, not because he's a tall ****er who could be the best QB ever if he could ever learn how to throw the ball correctly, dang it.

It's takes like that that make my blood boil. If this were 2012, Geno and Barkley are the 3rd and 4th QBs taken before Tannehill, Weeden, and Osweiler. To say otherwise that those guys without the starting experience nor the flashy stats would be ahead of 2013's QBs is an atrocious lie.

That's why posters like jAz are posting some stupid crap, because they say, "How can we know if these guys are any good? All the draft experts claim the QBs are terrible." It compares these QBs at the top to 2012's QBs at the top without looking at the rest of the class.

**Bowser** · 02-19-2013, 12:41 PM

Between Athan and Teicher, the Chiefs have been set back 40 years.

ChiefsCountry · 02-19-2013, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by jAZ

Looking back, they had the same success. And as a result, Matt Cassel was factually a better investment even looking back.

4 playoff wins and two AFC Championship apperances say you are wrong like always.

htismaqe · 02-19-2013, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by buddha

There are plenty of "professionals" who should have never been trusted in the past, but that's all in the past.

I'd absolutely LOVE to believe that.

But there's been too much failure, for too long.

Andy Reid is going to have to prove it to me.

**The Franchise** · 02-19-2013, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by jAZ

I heard a guy (don't recall his name) from Ourlads on the radio the other day saying that he had Geno Smith #1 on his board.

Edit: I'm sure others have already seen it, but anyway...
http://www.ourlads.com/nfl-mock-draft/2013/

The only part of that mock that I question is Joeckel to the Jags at #2.

Hammock Parties · 02-19-2013, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by buddha

Dude is silly smart...he really is. He used to be my brother's coach in college. He is also really cagey.

At Missouri?

But anyway, I don't really care.

Bill Parcells is "smart." He thought it was a good idea to pick Chad Henne instead of Matt Ryan.

**jAZ** · 02-19-2013, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

I thought you all should know that Knowmo is slightly cheating on his self-imposed bet ban. He sent me a rep message with a tweet from some guy that said if the draft were this year, Brock Osweiler would be a first round pick, and possibly the first QB taken or some shit like that.

That's bullshit. Geno, Barkley, and Glennon have nearly twice the starting experience in college that Tannehill and Osweiler did. If Osweiler would have been the top QB this year it's because he played like it, not because he's a tall ****er who could be the best QB ever if he could ever learn how to throw the ball correctly, dang it.

It's takes like that that make my blood boil. If this were 2012, Geno and Barkley are the 3rd and 4th QBs taken before Tannehill, Weeden, and Osweiler. To say otherwise that those guys without the starting experience nor the flashy stats would be ahead of 2013's QBs is an atrocious lie.

That's why posters like jAz are posting some stupid crap, because they say, "How can we know if these guys are any good? All the draft experts claim the QBs are terrible." It compares these QBs at the top to 2012's QBs at the top without looking at the rest of the class.

I'm not saying that. I'm saying "no one can *know*". So in the absence of a time machine, recognize that professionals have tools to make evaluations that none of us have. Don't take fandom-GM games very seriously.

Hammock Parties · 02-19-2013, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by jAZ

Don't take fandom-GM games very seriously.

We don't play games anymore.

We got the last asshole fired.

We're a ****ing force to be reckoned with now.

tooge · 02-19-2013, 12:46 PM

Regarding Alex Smith, I see him as a Rich Gannon type. He flounders around for several years without success, then finally "gets it". About the time he "gets it", he's taken on by a young, motivated, innovative offensive mind that has an offense tailored exactly to his skills. He thrives in it. I don't want Alex Smith. I don't think hes the abortion of a qb that some here do. I think he could come here and have us winning 10 or 11 games with Andy Reid, and heck, maybe a playoff game or two. That isn't what I want though.

I want the upside of Geno Smith. I wanna see his spectacular accuracy deployed in Andy Reids west coast offense, where he should thrive. I want a higher ceiling than I feel we'd get with Alex Smith.

If it doesn't pan out? Well, at least they tried. Then you try again.

Deberg_1990 · 02-19-2013, 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoWalrus

Bill Parcells is "smart." He thought it was a good idea to pick Chad Henne instead of Matt Ryan.

but he did take Bledsoe over Roaf.

htismaqe · 02-19-2013, 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tooge

Regarding Alex Smith, I see him as a Rich Gannon type. He flounders around for several years without success, then finally "gets it". About the time he "gets it", he's taken on by a young, motivated, innovative offensive mind that has an offense tailored exactly to his skills. He thrives in it. I don't want Alex Smith. I don't think hes the abortion of a qb that some here do. I think he could come here and have us winning 10 or 11 games with Andy Reid, and heck, maybe a playoff game or two. That isn't what I want though.

I want the upside of Geno Smith. I wanna see his spectacular accuracy deployed in Andy Reids west coast offense, where he should thrive. I want a higher ceiling than I feel we'd get with Alex Smith.

If it doesn't pan out? Well, at least they tried. Then you try again.

Great post.

02-19-2013, 07:53 AM
Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $3924454	Peter King: You have to go back to 1997 to find a draft like this one http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl.../?sct=uk_wr_a1 You'd probably have to go back to 1997 to find a draft like this one. That's the year Peyton Manning eschewed the prospect of going to the Jets first overall to play for Bill Parcells and returned for his senior year at Tennessee. One quarterback (shaky Jim Druckenmiller, 26th) picked in round one. Two backs (Warrick Dunn 12th and Antowain Smith 23rd) in round one, and four receivers in the first: Ike Hilliard seventh, Yatil Green 15th, Reidel Anthony 16th and Rae Carruth 27th. Yikes! What a horrible draft for point-producers. One star, Dunn, out of seven first-rounders. That could repeat this year. It's likely Alabama's Eddie Lacy will be the only running back taken in round one. Tennessee's Cordarrelle Patterson leads the muddled pack at wide receiver, but how sure can you really be of junior-college transfers who play one year of major-college football, which is Patterson's profile? The quarterbacks are a total mish-mosh at this point. One GM interested in acquiring a quarterback this offseason told me over the weekend, "I expect more attention on the quarterbacks throwing this year than on any other single thing at the Combine.'' Some think Geno Smith of West Virginia will go first overall to quarterback-needy Kansas City; one personnel man who studied all the top quarterbacks for a team in need of one last fall told me, "There's not one quarterback, including Smith, I would take in the first round." Two points about that. If you need a quarterback, you can talk brave in February, but when reality sets in around draft day, and you haven't picked up a quarterback in free agency, all of a sudden the zits on Smith, Matt Barkley and other others don't seem as bad. And we're nine and a half weeks from round one. There's no way that Andy Reid and John Dorsey, the coach and GM for Kansas City, know what they're doing now. They need time to investigate and to watch tape on the eight or 10 quarterbacks. But in some ways, 2013 should be a catchup year for the other positions. Opening day 2013 could feature 12 starting quarterbacks drafted in 2011 and '12; that's far, far above the norm in a game that values veteran arms at the position. Now for a couple of notes about players at the Combine. Alec Ogletree. The underclass inside linebacker from Georgia would be a clear top-10 pick with a clean resume. But he was suspended the first four games of last season for failing an offseason drug test, and then came the news Saturday night, via ProFootballTalk.com, that Ogletree recently was pinched for driving while intoxicated. Ogletree and agent Pat Dye were smart to come out and beat the police blotter to the punch. As for the damage done by the arrest, Ogletree, who is a speed demon for an inside player, the kind of player who, if right, would be a perfect fit as a rare three-down inside linebacker for any team, has to convince teams they shouldn't be worried about a player who has tested positive, been suspended, and gotten a DWI in the span of about nine months. Some GM is going to stake his reputation on Ogletree in the first round, most likely. Which GM? It would have to be a secure one. Green Bay's Ted Thompson or de facto GM Bill Belichick of the Patriots or Baltimore's Ozzie Newsome, all down near the bottom of the round. Manti Te'o. The Notre Dame linebacker has spent a lot of time practicing football and practicing what he's going to say to teams. His last game, against Alabama, was a nightmare (he was awful, and overpowered), and then the whole fake girlfriend story came up, making him a national story and, in some quarters, a national joke. It won't matter much how he works out in Indianapolis. What will matter are the 15-minute interviews he'll have in formal evening sessions with teams, and in less formal settings, seeing coaches and personnel people at the stadium and around his hotel. No men have more on the line, off the field, at the Scouting Combine than Ogletree and Te'o. Finally, three players I'll be watching at the Combine, three with question marks and debatable upsides: 1. Quarterback Sean Renfree, Duke. No one's talking about him, but he completed 70 percent of his throws in six of 12 games for David Cutcliffe last fall, was a comeback specialist, and has the pedigree in a good pro-style offense to play early. Could he be more than a late-round flyer, this year's Ryan Lindley? We'll see. 2. Cornerback Xavier Rhodes, Florida State. A 6-2 cornerback in a league demanding cover guys who can play on islands more and more? Scouts want to see if Rhodes, who is a heady player with good bump skills at the line of scrimmage, has the speed to stay with fast wideouts. If so, he'll be a top-half-of-the-first-round player. 3. Running back Marcus Lattimore, South Carolina. After his devastating dislocated knee and torn knee ligaments in October, Lattimore, considered a certain first-rounder before the injury, is still in recovery mode. His surgeon, James Andrews, told Lattimore recently that he's going to shock the world. "I hear he's working out great,'' said Mayock. Lattimore believes he'll be healthy enough to start the 2013 NFL season. Is he's a fourth-round minefield pick? Or might some team desperate for a back go for him a round earlier -- or even late in the second round? Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl...#ixzz2LLwcLLId
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02-19-2013, 12:40 PM	#125
RealSNR Special Teams ACE!!! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Where the hell is SNR Casino cash: $2460208	I thought you all should know that Knowmo is slightly cheating on his self-imposed bet ban. He sent me a rep message with a tweet from some guy that said if the draft were this year, Brock Osweiler would be a first round pick, and possibly the first QB taken or some shit like that. That's bullshit. Geno, Barkley, and Glennon have nearly twice the starting experience in college that Tannehill and Osweiler did. If Osweiler would have been the top QB this year it's because he played like it, not because he's a tall ****er who could be the best QB ever if he could ever learn how to throw the ball correctly, dang it. It's takes like that that make my blood boil. If this were 2012, Geno and Barkley are the 3rd and 4th QBs taken before Tannehill, Weeden, and Osweiler. To say otherwise that those guys without the starting experience nor the flashy stats would be ahead of 2013's QBs is an atrocious lie. That's why posters like jAz are posting some stupid crap, because they say, "How can we know if these guys are any good? All the draft experts claim the QBs are terrible." It compares these QBs at the top to 2012's QBs at the top without looking at the rest of the class.
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02-19-2013, 12:46 PM	#133
tooge MVP Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Liberty, MO Casino cash: $4024112	Regarding Alex Smith, I see him as a Rich Gannon type. He flounders around for several years without success, then finally "gets it". About the time he "gets it", he's taken on by a young, motivated, innovative offensive mind that has an offense tailored exactly to his skills. He thrives in it. I don't want Alex Smith. I don't think hes the abortion of a qb that some here do. I think he could come here and have us winning 10 or 11 games with Andy Reid, and heck, maybe a playoff game or two. That isn't what I want though. I want the upside of Geno Smith. I wanna see his spectacular accuracy deployed in Andy Reids west coast offense, where he should thrive. I want a higher ceiling than I feel we'd get with Alex Smith. If it doesn't pan out? Well, at least they tried. Then you try again.
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