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RunKC · 02-16-2013, 05:29 PM

No clear quarterback choice for Chiefs in the draft
By ADAM TEICHER
Kansas City Star
Published Saturday, Feb. 16, 2013, at 3:36 p.m.
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Pros and cons
Matt Barkley, 6-2, 230, USC: Superb leadership skills, the first one at practice or meetings and the last one to leave. But his arm strength is suspect. May be a system fit.

Mike Glennon, 6-7, 220, North Carolina State: Strong arm. He’s easily able to make all the necessary throws. But a lack of mobility could be a problem against a strong pass rush.

Ryan Nassib, 6-2, 225, Syracuse: Good mobility and throws well on the run. But he’s a late-bloomer who might need more seasoning before he’s ready for the NFL.

Geno Smith, 6-3, 210, West Virginia: Has best ability of all the top prospects. Was durable in college, but he’s not an imposing specimen. So how will he hold up in the NFL?

Tyler Wilson, 6-2, 220, Arkansas: Will stand in and take a hit but still make an accurate throw. But he’s short for an ideal NFL quarterback and has small hands, which could lead to fumbling problems.

KANSAS CITY, Mo. — The Chiefs spent the last several days setting their draft board in preparation for this week’s NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis. The process merely confirmed for new general manager John Dorsey that when it comes to quarterbacks, their homework is only starting.

Opinions on the top available quarterbacks in this year’s draft are that varied.

“There is no quarterback where personnel guys can definitely say, ‘He’s a first-round pick,’ ” Dorsey said. “There were so many inconsistencies in the collective group. There was not one guy that stood up and said, ‘I’m the guy in the position this year.’ There really wasn’t one clear-cut guy.

“There are too many technical flaws, scheme flaws. There are so many different variables that there are a lot of people all over the place on naming the top four or five guys and who those guys would be.”

The Chiefs aren’t the only team having trouble sorting through the top quarterback prospects. From the natural ability of West Virginia’s Geno Smith to the smooth leadership skills of USC’s Matt Barkley to the willingness to take a hit in the face of a strong pass rush of Arkansas’ Tyler Wilson, there are plenty of things to like.

There are reasons to pause just the same. Smith faltered late last fall against better competition. Barkley and Wilson had disappointing, injury-marred senior seasons.

This is a particular problem for teams like the Chiefs, who have a gaping need at quarterback. Dorsey didn’t say so specifically, but he didn’t sound like the Chiefs were planning to take a quarterback with the first pick in this year’s draft.

More likely, the Chiefs will select a quarterback later in the draft — if they take one at all.

Dorsey said both he and coach Andy Reid would be in attendance at the workouts of most, if not all, of the top available quarterbacks.

“I think Andy is a really good evaluator of quarterbacks,” Dorsey said. “I want him and I to go to as many quarterback workouts as possible and actually set our own up.”

The quarterback rankings for last year’s draft were determined almost a year in advance. Stanford’s Andrew Luck was a consensus choice to be the top player selected as soon as the 2011 draft was finished. Baylor’s Robert Griffin III came on as a senior to win the Heisman Trophy and make the race interesting, but in the end, Luck was selected first by Indianapolis. Griffin was taken with the next pick by Washington.

“Last year was an easy evaluation,” draft analyst Mel Kiper said. “Automatically, you put Andrew Luck and RG III up there.”

This year, quarterback ratings are scattered. Some teams like Smith, but others have different favorites, like Barkley, Wilson, North Carolina State’s Mike Glennon or Syracuse’s Ryan Nassib.

“The year didn’t go the way Barkley and the USC Trojans hoped,” Kiper said. “He began the year number one on my big board. You saw what happened with USC. They lost four games with Barkley at quarterback and lost a couple more when he was hurt. They didn’t have a signature win all year. They dropped down the rankings from number one and he dropped down the rankings from number one.

“Geno Smith started out great. It looked like after Barkley struggled you could lock Geno Smith in. Then he has a disappointing second half of the season, so there are issues in terms of what type of starting quarterback he can be. Glennon was hot for a while even though he had a subpar supporting cast, and he didn’t play great (in the bowl game) against Vanderbilt and didn’t have a wow-you-over Senior Bowl week.

“Things didn’t fall into place at Arkansas, and that affected Tyler Wilson. The wheels came off for all the quarterbacks at some point (last) year. Things just didn’t fall right to allow them to maximize their ability. That’s why the teams are right now in the predicament they are, trying to figure this whole quarterback thing out and not overdraft or push a guy up when he’s not deserving.”

Kiper doesn’t have a quarterback rated among his top 25 players. In fact, in his latest mock draft, Kiper doesn’t have a single quarterback being selected in the first round.

“It’s just a tough evaluation, trying to figure out which quarterbacks in this draft, if any, will be great starting quarterbacks,” he said.

Dorsey said he expects at least two quarterbacks to be drafted in the first round because so many teams have a need. It’s a matter, though, of which ones.

Things could solidify in the next couple of months. The draft doesn’t begin until April 25. Meanwhile, the combine begins this week, followed by pro days on college campuses and then individual workouts.

To Dorsey, at least, personal interviews might be the most important part of the postseason draft process. He said a quarterback can improve his draft standing with a series of strong interviews.

“The most impressive interview I’ve ever had in the last 25 years of doing this? Russell Wilson,” said Dorsey, referring to the quarterback drafted by Seattle last year in the third round. “Wasn’t even close. You could feel that guy as a person, how strong he was, how intellectually deep he was, how mentally tough he was, that he had the charisma to lead other players. I always try to look at kids like I’m in the locker room and I’m a teammate. It was easy to see this guy leading a team.

“A quarterback wants to come across in the interview process as confident, as having a vast understanding and knowledge of defenses, as being capable of leading a group of men. That’s what you’ve got to convey to the teams. On film, his physical traits and skills will come out. But you have to over the next few weeks impress on teams the character of his soul, his ability to lead a franchise.”

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**DaneMcCloud** · 02-17-2013, 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Here's just a taste, since you decided to take us down this road...

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud
Once again, you're moving the goalposts.

Please explain to us how and why Clark Hunt would fire Scott ***** after the 2012 season, even IF the Chiefs were to end the season with a losing record.

Personally, I'm not buying it. He continues to add young talent to this team each offseason. He's drafted "bargains" like Asamoah, Moeaki, Lewis and Houston while hitting on higher draft choices like Berry, Hudson, Allen and possibly, Bailey. The team has a brighter future, personnel wise, than they have in decades.

To categorically state that ***** will be fired following the 2012 season, especially with $5 million remaining on his contract, is a Fool's notion.

Link us to the date.

The premise wasn't about *****'s performance but his salary.

The events of the 2012 season weren't foreseen by anyone: Shit start, suicide, etc.

Next time, I'll be sure to put those caveats on every post.

Salary, suicide, and shit performance.

NJChiefsFan · 02-17-2013, 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Johnny Fever

As the Royals starting pitching goes I was on record as having serious doubts last season... although I thought the team as a whole would be better.

Yes... I agree QB has to be fixed. No disagreement there at all. What I'm saying is if Reid/Dorsey don't see that fix at #1 I respect that. Neither does anyone else outside of CP it seems. If we don't draft QB #1 it isn't the end of the world. Blasphemy to many.

They have the benefit of the doubt with me as I said. I also said I doubt Reid is any better than his predecessors. But for now... with a change of scenery and new motivation I'll trust him.

I understand. In the end they have rope with me as well. Still there are things that can raise concerns early. Again, I think it's being overblown how many are going with all or nothing thoughts.

**BossChief** · 02-17-2013, 02:09 AM

I posted my Stanzi thread when we were 4-3 and were looking at a mid to late pick....to be completely honest I still think a late second would have been worth it.

I guess we will all know how far off I was or if I was right over the next couple years with Andy Reid and his handpicked guy coaching quarterbacks.

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-17-2013, 02:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief

Here's just a taste, since you decided to take us down this road...

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Please explain to us how and why Clark Hunt would fire Scott ***** after the 2012 season.

That entire post was a question, BTW.

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-17-2013, 02:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief

I posted my Stanzi thread when we were 4-3 and were looking at a mid to late pick....to be completely honest I still think a late second would have been worth it

Dude

Dr. Johnny Fever · 02-17-2013, 02:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

I understand. In the end they have rope with me as well. Still there are things that can raise concerns early. Again, I think it's being overblown how many are going with all or nothing thoughts.

What some misunderstand is thinking I don't care about the Chiefs winning just because it's not my favorite sport. That's silly. Of course I want the Chiefs to win. I root hard and feel it too. I'm just not convinced there's only one way to go at #1 if we want to build a winner. #1 isn't going to make us a winner alone unless it's Joe Montana again and it's not.

**BossChief** · 02-17-2013, 02:16 AM

So, it's cool to bring up shit from forever ago with my Stanzi love, but for me to post something that's not even a year old is out of bounds?

There weren't any questions in that post.

Here's your next post in that thread...

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

What I think is irrelevant.

Clark Hunt will hear from people all over the league how ***** has built a great roster. He will hear that there are several "Franchise QB's" available in the 2013 draft. He will look at his pocketbook and say "**** it. I'm not wasting $5 million dollars".

***** will return in 2013, regardless of whether or not you or I or anyone else approves.

Funny that here we are, listening to you clowning on the 2013 QB class, and most notably the best prospect in it.

**BossChief** · 02-17-2013, 02:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Dude

I don't often dodge my failures and am reluctant to admit defeat in a battle that hasn't ended yet.

I've decided to not bring up Stanzi on here, but since you did so, I think he is a good it for Andy Reid's WCO and think he still has a chance.

Or do you think it's fair to judge the guy from times he was coached by Daboll or Bill Muir?

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-17-2013, 02:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief

So, it's cool to bring up shit from forever ago with my Stanzi love, but for me to post something that's not even a year old is out of bounds?

There weren't any questions in that post.

Here's your next post in that thread...

Funny that here we are, listening to you clowning on the 2013 QB class, and most notably the best prospect in it.

Wow.

You fail to realize that this was preseason 2012 talking about firing Pioli, something even his most ardent dissidents were against, even in a tumultuous and tragic season, versus your love for Ricky Stanzi in 2010.

Really?

HolyHat · 02-17-2013, 02:22 AM

lol, when the Stanzi talk starts-up that means its time for bed. Goodnight

**BossChief** · 02-17-2013, 02:23 AM

Next post?

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Yeah, because ***** inherited a roster that was just a few players away from contending year in and year out.

The Chiefs roster has been a patched work piece of shit since the 80's. The last time a coach walked into a Chiefs team loaded with this much talent was 1989. Ever since then, it's been short-sighted decision after short-sighted decision.

While I'm not enamored with the 2009 offseason, ***** has done as well, or better, than any GM in the league in regards to building a squad from the ground floor. He's had a miscue here or there, but no one bats 1.000 in the NFL draft.

You're misguided if you think that Clark fires *****.

I'll stop there.

My point is pounded home.

It's a shame you had to go and attack me for no reason besides my informed opinion on Cam Laptop Newton.

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-17-2013, 02:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief

I don't often dodge my failures and am reluctant to admit defeat in a battle that hasn't ended yet.

I've decided to not bring up Stanzi on here, but since you did so, I think he is a good it for Andy Reid's WCO and think he still has a chance.

Or do you think it's fair to judge the guy from times he was coached by Daboll or Bill Muir?

I only judge Stanzi bas on his ability or inability to get on the field when his competition is Matt Cassel, Tyler Palko and Brady Quinn.

If he's Jeff Hostetler, bring it on.

**bevischief** · 02-17-2013, 02:24 AM

JFC 52 pages?

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-17-2013, 02:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief

Next post?
I'll stop there.

My point is pounded home.

It's a shame you had to go and attack me for no reason besides my informed opinion on Cam Laptop Newton.

Again, preseason 2012.

No coach has ever gotten less from a roster of six Pro Bowlers than Romeo Crennel.

That's a far cry from saying you wouldn't trade 1.1 in 2013 for Cam Newton.

**BossChief** · 02-17-2013, 02:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Pink

lol, when the Stanzi talk starts-up that means its time for bed. Goodnight

Sorry. I've made it a point to not bring him up...

Here's my word:

I won't post a single time about Stanzi STARTING NOW until the time when he starts a regular season game.

Nothing in preseason. Nothing.

If he ever starts a regular season game (or playoff game) I will talk about him again.

Sound good, everyone?

02-16-2013, 05:29 PM
RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $2279611	Dorsey: There is no definite first round QB No clear quarterback choice for Chiefs in the draft By ADAM TEICHER Kansas City Star Published Saturday, Feb. 16, 2013, at 3:36 p.m. 0 CommentsEmailPrintReprints Pros and cons Matt Barkley, 6-2, 230, USC: Superb leadership skills, the first one at practice or meetings and the last one to leave. But his arm strength is suspect. May be a system fit. Mike Glennon, 6-7, 220, North Carolina State: Strong arm. He’s easily able to make all the necessary throws. But a lack of mobility could be a problem against a strong pass rush. Ryan Nassib, 6-2, 225, Syracuse: Good mobility and throws well on the run. But he’s a late-bloomer who might need more seasoning before he’s ready for the NFL. Geno Smith, 6-3, 210, West Virginia: Has best ability of all the top prospects. Was durable in college, but he’s not an imposing specimen. So how will he hold up in the NFL? Tyler Wilson, 6-2, 220, Arkansas: Will stand in and take a hit but still make an accurate throw. But he’s short for an ideal NFL quarterback and has small hands, which could lead to fumbling problems. KANSAS CITY, Mo. — The Chiefs spent the last several days setting their draft board in preparation for this week’s NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis. The process merely confirmed for new general manager John Dorsey that when it comes to quarterbacks, their homework is only starting. Opinions on the top available quarterbacks in this year’s draft are that varied. “There is no quarterback where personnel guys can definitely say, ‘He’s a first-round pick,’ ” Dorsey said. “There were so many inconsistencies in the collective group. There was not one guy that stood up and said, ‘I’m the guy in the position this year.’ There really wasn’t one clear-cut guy. “There are too many technical flaws, scheme flaws. There are so many different variables that there are a lot of people all over the place on naming the top four or five guys and who those guys would be.” The Chiefs aren’t the only team having trouble sorting through the top quarterback prospects. From the natural ability of West Virginia’s Geno Smith to the smooth leadership skills of USC’s Matt Barkley to the willingness to take a hit in the face of a strong pass rush of Arkansas’ Tyler Wilson, there are plenty of things to like. There are reasons to pause just the same. Smith faltered late last fall against better competition. Barkley and Wilson had disappointing, injury-marred senior seasons. This is a particular problem for teams like the Chiefs, who have a gaping need at quarterback. Dorsey didn’t say so specifically, but he didn’t sound like the Chiefs were planning to take a quarterback with the first pick in this year’s draft. More likely, the Chiefs will select a quarterback later in the draft — if they take one at all. Dorsey said both he and coach Andy Reid would be in attendance at the workouts of most, if not all, of the top available quarterbacks. “I think Andy is a really good evaluator of quarterbacks,” Dorsey said. “I want him and I to go to as many quarterback workouts as possible and actually set our own up.” The quarterback rankings for last year’s draft were determined almost a year in advance. Stanford’s Andrew Luck was a consensus choice to be the top player selected as soon as the 2011 draft was finished. Baylor’s Robert Griffin III came on as a senior to win the Heisman Trophy and make the race interesting, but in the end, Luck was selected first by Indianapolis. Griffin was taken with the next pick by Washington. “Last year was an easy evaluation,” draft analyst Mel Kiper said. “Automatically, you put Andrew Luck and RG III up there.” This year, quarterback ratings are scattered. Some teams like Smith, but others have different favorites, like Barkley, Wilson, North Carolina State’s Mike Glennon or Syracuse’s Ryan Nassib. “The year didn’t go the way Barkley and the USC Trojans hoped,” Kiper said. “He began the year number one on my big board. You saw what happened with USC. They lost four games with Barkley at quarterback and lost a couple more when he was hurt. They didn’t have a signature win all year. They dropped down the rankings from number one and he dropped down the rankings from number one. “Geno Smith started out great. It looked like after Barkley struggled you could lock Geno Smith in. Then he has a disappointing second half of the season, so there are issues in terms of what type of starting quarterback he can be. Glennon was hot for a while even though he had a subpar supporting cast, and he didn’t play great (in the bowl game) against Vanderbilt and didn’t have a wow-you-over Senior Bowl week. “Things didn’t fall into place at Arkansas, and that affected Tyler Wilson. The wheels came off for all the quarterbacks at some point (last) year. Things just didn’t fall right to allow them to maximize their ability. That’s why the teams are right now in the predicament they are, trying to figure this whole quarterback thing out and not overdraft or push a guy up when he’s not deserving.” Kiper doesn’t have a quarterback rated among his top 25 players. In fact, in his latest mock draft, Kiper doesn’t have a single quarterback being selected in the first round. “It’s just a tough evaluation, trying to figure out which quarterbacks in this draft, if any, will be great starting quarterbacks,” he said. Dorsey said he expects at least two quarterbacks to be drafted in the first round because so many teams have a need. It’s a matter, though, of which ones. Things could solidify in the next couple of months. The draft doesn’t begin until April 25. Meanwhile, the combine begins this week, followed by pro days on college campuses and then individual workouts. To Dorsey, at least, personal interviews might be the most important part of the postseason draft process. He said a quarterback can improve his draft standing with a series of strong interviews. “The most impressive interview I’ve ever had in the last 25 years of doing this? Russell Wilson,” said Dorsey, referring to the quarterback drafted by Seattle last year in the third round. “Wasn’t even close. You could feel that guy as a person, how strong he was, how intellectually deep he was, how mentally tough he was, that he had the charisma to lead other players. I always try to look at kids like I’m in the locker room and I’m a teammate. It was easy to see this guy leading a team. “A quarterback wants to come across in the interview process as confident, as having a vast understanding and knowledge of defenses, as being capable of leading a group of men. That’s what you’ve got to convey to the teams. On film, his physical traits and skills will come out. But you have to over the next few weeks impress on teams the character of his soul, his ability to lead a franchise.” Read more here: http://www.kansas.com/2013/02/16/267...#storylink=cpy
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