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Old 01-18-2018, 04:17 PM  
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How will you celebrate the Democrat shutdown?

I was thinking about throwing a party that weekend if we get lucky enough that the Democrats cut their own political throats with a shut down.

Will you celebrate? Or maybe not?
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Old 01-22-2018, 06:01 PM   #1081
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Why in the world do you think they have any interest in going to "help" a country that they don't give a **** about?

I always use my Nephew as an example. He's 19 now. He's in his 2nd year of college, both community and SDSU, that is paid for via an inheritince. He's becoming a software engineer. He watches football every sunday, plays his video games like any other kid, speaks perfect english and works a part time job near Petco.

He's never been to Mexico. Has no recollection of it. All of his friends are here. His family? Here. The only world he's EVER known is this one. He's pretty much American in every way, aside from his citizenship.

Because of DACA, he can work. He goes to school. He drives. He's a full functioning adult now.

WITHOUT DACA, he'd sit at home and rot. Become a loser who can't work, drive or go to school. He wouldn't be going anywhere though. He'd still live here, because this is the only home he knows. All he wants to do is live life. Work. Pay taxes. Get married. Own a home. Live the American Dream that's been indoctrinated here.

Yet for someone reason, people like YOU, the uninformed, the unempathetic, view him as an outsider. A "Mexican" that doesn't belong here. The world he knows, the America he grew up in, doesn't want him here. The parents of his friends don't want him here. People like YOU don't want him here. The only thing he's done wrong is exist. No one wants to live in a country, in a culture, that they didn't grow up in.

And people like you are just hellbent on not giving a shit because, well, **** it, it ain't you, right?

That's ****ed up.
Your ****ed up! If you truly loved your nephew and the dreamers you would be willing to understand that reforms need to be made so that this doesn't continue to happen and that the importation of cheap labor isn't helping wages or workers that are American Citizens.
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Old 01-22-2018, 06:04 PM   #1082
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Have Republicans ever given a **** about them, or even pretended too? But the rhetoric from the BASE is all hate. Change the narrative if you want votes.
Dude, he is being sarcastic and is pointing out that this is why the Left has no interest in turning off the spicket. Why else would they be against a true wall where a physical barrier is needed?
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Old 01-22-2018, 06:05 PM   #1083
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I served with Dreamers that became naturalized Marines and were some of the finest people/warriors I have ever known - and was proud to serve with.

But my personal feelings and experience does not outweigh the need to fix a course that will destroy our nation and eventually turn us into the same Shit-Hole they fled from.

Essentially you are saying - “It’s not fair.” Fair to whom?

The mistake conservatives and Republicans always make is letting the Left dictate that the debate always starts with being fair to someone else, in this case to the Dreamers - like we have to solve their problem of being here by finding a way to allow them to stay.

When in reality the question of fairness is fairness to Americans and legal immigrants. Is it fair to let people gain from a criminal act they consciously choose to commit, every day, for years at a time?

Would you let the bank robber keep their money if otherwise they lead a somewhat decent life? Is it fair to taxpayers, hospitals, schools, the unemployed, legal immigrants waiting to come here, legal immigrants here, and anyone eligible for limited government services, to have illegal aliens at the front of the line?

I imagine the current group of Dreamers will get a pass - but enough is enough.
"Consciously chose" "Fled from". Words that show you don't understand. We're talking about kids who are mostly indoctrinated in American Culture, not this "socialist" bullshit that you theorize.

The DREAM Act doesn't allow them to vote. It doesn't allow them social services such as foodstamps or Social Security. It allows them to work legally, be taxed legally, and not get deported.

Basically, all they're asking is to live like a functional, productive adult, FFS.
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Old 01-22-2018, 06:08 PM   #1084
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Big ****ing deal. Most of us on here are reasonable and think we should offer an alternative for Dreamers to be here legally. However, that doesn't mean we don't get assurances of border security, chain migration and VISA lottery reform. Weren't not RACIST for wanting that, we want it so we are not back in this same situation 10 years from now. Hopefully, we finally learned are lesson from 1986 and that the 2nd phase never happens. Are the dreamers in your family the one's protesting that this needs to be a clean dream Act, wearing there shirts and demanding the rest of us do what they say. If so, tell them that's not doing them any favors.
No, they don't protest. They don't wear shirts or anything like that. They just want to be left alone and do their thing. Like i said, they're Americans first.

And i don't recall disagreeing with anything you said regarding border security and immigration reform. I agree, and i'd wager a lot of hispanics do as well, that the border should be secured.

2nd+ generation hispanics aren't like 1st gen. Many of them have a very "**** you i got mine" mentality. Hell, even in San Diego i hear American citizen hispanics talking down about Illegals.

The perception that hard righters have is way off. Has been for awhile.
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Old 01-22-2018, 06:09 PM   #1085
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"Consciously chose" "Fled from". Words that show you don't understand. We're talking about kids who are mostly indoctrinated in American Culture, not this "socialist" bullshit that you theorize.

The DREAM Act doesn't allow them to vote. It doesn't allow them social services such as foodstamps or Social Security. It allows them to work legally, be taxed legally, and not get deported.

Basically, all they're asking is to live like a functional, productive adult, FFS.
Right - "They just want a better life.” Who doesn’t?

So do the Mafia, drug dealers, violent gangs, embezzlers, extortionists, bank robbers, muggers, thieves, home invaders, tax cheats, and yes, illegal aliens. The difference from honest, law abiding people, including lawful immigrants, is that the honest folks work for it and follow the law.
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Old 01-22-2018, 06:11 PM   #1086
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Wow, you have no idea, do you?

I have two "Dreamers" in my family, and two others that i grew up with in HS. You have no ****ing clue. And well, quite frankly, i have no patience with this topic since it's personal. So here's a personal, "**** you".

THIS IS their culture. They grew up HERE, do you not understand that?
No one is booting the Dreamers. Just ....
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Old 01-22-2018, 06:13 PM   #1087
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Your ****ed up! If you truly loved your nephew and the dreamers you would be willing to understand that reforms need to be made so that this doesn't continue to happen and that the importation of cheap labor isn't helping wages or workers that are American Citizens.
If you knew anything about my position then you'd know that i don't oppose better border security. Matter of fact, i view it as a necessity that should be part of complete immigration reform.

Quite frankly i'm indifferent on Trump's immigration at this point. I'm in a wait and see holding pattern.

You know what would help alleviate cheap labor? Get rid of that class all together by taxing them. You won't find many "dreamers" that woul trade a legitimate job for not being taxed.

DREAMERS aren't even eligible for the EITC, or the Child Tax credit, so it's not like you'd even have to give them shit back.
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Right - "They just want a better life.” Who doesn’t?

So do the Mafia, drug dealers, violent gangs, embezzlers, extortionists, bank robbers, muggers, thieves, home invaders, tax cheats, and yes, illegal aliens. The difference from honest, law abiding people, including lawful immigrants, is that the honest folks work for it and follow the law.
Right, because these kids are violent felons you're an idiot.

Convicted felons aren't even eligible, derp. Hell, HS drop outs aren't even eligible. You really know nothing on which you speak.
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If that's not your position then butt out? Clearly i'm not talking to those who agree.
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No, they don't protest. They don't wear shirts or anything like that. They just want to be left alone and do their thing. Like i said, they're Americans first.

And i don't recall disagreeing with anything you said regarding border security and immigration reform. I agree, and i'd wager a lot of hispanics do as well, that the border should be secured.

2nd+ generation hispanics aren't like 1st gen. Many of them have a very "**** you i got mine" mentality. Hell, even in San Diego i hear American citizen hispanics talking down about Illegals.

The perception that hard righters have is way off. Has been for awhile.
Most hard righters would be fine with the bold above, but the far left and democrat politcal class who sees votes won't let it happen. The right and the middle will win on this issue if the left chooses to not make any changes or minimal to non existent changes that the Graham Durbin proposal did.
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No, they don't protest. They don't wear shirts or anything like that. They just want to be left alone and do their thing. Like i said, they're Americans first.

And i don't recall disagreeing with anything you said regarding border security and immigration reform. I agree, and i'd wager a lot of hispanics do as well, that the border should be secured.

2nd+ generation hispanics aren't like 1st gen. Many of them have a very "**** you i got mine" mentality. Hell, even in San Diego i hear American citizen hispanics talking down about Illegals.

The perception that hard righters have is way off. Has been for awhile.
Where are the libs when us Mid Westerners and Bible Belters say the same thing..... and we ARE Americans. Obama couldn't shove his anti-American agenda down our throats fast enough.

Seems to me he said something along the line of "Elections have consequences" or something like that. And keep in mind, Trump is actually willing to work with the illegals, Obama told us in essence to get bent
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Right, because these kids are violent felons you're an idiot.

Convicted felons aren't even eligible, derp. Hell, HS drop outs aren't even eligible. You really know nothing on which you speak.
Yea - I didn't mention any of those issues.
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Most hard righters would be fine with the bold above, but the far left and democrat politcal class who sees votes won't let it happen. The right and the middle will win on this issue if the left chooses to not make any changes or minimal to non existent changes that the Graham Durbin proposal did.
The people win when common sense is applied. I don't really care where the common sense comes from. I stated just last week that i would vote Trump if fair and balanced immigration reform were done on his watch. And i mean it.

IDC what CNN and Fox News say. I know what i want to see, and for the most part, aside form the shitty rhetoric, Trump's actions thus far have me encouraged. But we'll see.
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Big ****ing deal. Most of us on here are reasonable and think we should offer an alternative for Dreamers to be here legally. However, that doesn't mean we don't get assurances of border security, chain migration and VISA lottery reform. Weren't not RACIST for wanting that, we want it so we are not back in this same situation 10 years from now. Hopefully, we finally learned are lesson from 1986 and that the 2nd phase never happens. Are the dreamers in your family the one's protesting that this needs to be a clean dream Act, wearing there shirts and demanding the rest of us do what they say. If so, tell them that's not doing them any favors.
I'd add that we don't go with "assurances", we go with laws. Not only will this be a one-time thing, it'll

* Be a one-time thing

* It's a one-time thing for those who are productive and would probably otherwise be allowed in on a visa. And will end before the 2018 election. It's still unfair to people who weren't brought in illegally by their criminal parents, but if we must.

* The laws will change regarding squirters. So the mothers who bolt across the boarder to squirt one out on American soil won't have their kid's citizenship be American.
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Schumer on shutdown: 'Trump the dealmaker sat on sidelines'

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Trump didn't do a damm thing.


Trump did exactly what he needed to do.
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