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Old 01-18-2018, 04:17 PM  
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How will you celebrate the Democrat shutdown?

I was thinking about throwing a party that weekend if we get lucky enough that the Democrats cut their own political throats with a shut down.

Will you celebrate? Or maybe not?
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Old 01-22-2018, 07:00 PM   #1096
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Absent a president strong on policy leadership, the Trump/McConnel/Ryan team seems to be finding it’s stride.

Edit: I should say the Trump/Kelly/McConnel/Ryan team.
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Old 01-22-2018, 07:04 PM   #1097
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Why in the world do you think they have any interest in going to "help" a country that they don't give a **** about?
I don't think that's my problem. Sorry if that sounds mean, but you're forcing the anchor his parents attached to him down my throat. And you haven't even bothered to comment on the kind of parent who would do this to their kid. Read the next part before you go off on me...

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I always use my Nephew as an example. He's 19 now. He's in his 2nd year of college, both community and SDSU, that is paid for via an inheritince. He's becoming a software engineer. He watches football every sunday, plays his video games like any other kid, speaks perfect english and works a part time job near Petco.
In a family paying for college using inheritances, I'm sorry, it doesn't sound like they needed to bring him here. I'm not sure where the money came from, but I don't care.

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He's never been to Mexico. Has no recollection of it. All of his friends are here. His family? Here. The only world he's EVER known is this one. He's pretty much American in every way, aside from his citizenship.

Because of DACA, he can work. He goes to school. He drives. He's a full functioning adult now.

WITHOUT DACA, he'd sit at home and rot. Become a loser who can't work, drive or go to school. He wouldn't be going anywhere though. He'd still live here, because this is the only home he knows. All he wants to do is live life. Work. Pay taxes. Get married. Own a home. Live the American Dream that's been indoctrinated here.
More unwanted anchor shoving... Blame his parents, not every American. And where are his parents anyway?

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Yet for someone reason, people like YOU, the uninformed, the unempathetic, view him as an outsider. A "Mexican" that doesn't belong here. The world he knows, the America he grew up in, doesn't want him here. The parents of his friends don't want him here. People like YOU don't want him here. The only thing he's done wrong is exist. No one wants to live in a country, in a culture, that they didn't grow up in.

And people like you are just hellbent on not giving a shit because, well, **** it, it ain't you, right?

That's ****ed up.
Ah, because I disagree I'm uninformed.. Right! As for my empathy, cry me a river. How about this, throw the parents in jail as an act of contrition and ensure he'll vote GOP for life and maybe I'll be inclined to see some this as some sort of win-win.

I'll add too that Mexican doesn't mean a thing, the bottom line is they are illegal. They might not have had a vote in the decision to be illegal, but it doesn't change the facts.

But you need to quit avoiding the "parent" conversation. It's not irrelevant. Does the family condemn them for willfully putting their kids in this very stressful situation, or do they high-five them and tell them if Chuck pulls it off their 30-year plan worked?
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Old 01-22-2018, 07:05 PM   #1098
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Right, because these kids are violent felons you're an idiot.

Convicted felons aren't even eligible, derp. Hell, HS drop outs aren't even eligible. You really know nothing on which you speak.
Cant you pull some strings with all your CIA connections?
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Old 01-22-2018, 07:05 PM   #1099
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Have Republicans ever given a **** about them, or even pretended too? But the rhetoric from the BASE is all hate. Change the narrative if you want votes.
That might not be a wise thing to project right now because their Spanish isn't exactly awesome.. And I'm not sure how well they'll do in spending their families riches at a Mexican college.
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Old 01-22-2018, 07:12 PM   #1100
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"Consciously chose" "Fled from". Words that show you don't understand. We're talking about kids who are mostly indoctrinated in American Culture, not this "socialist" bullshit that you theorize.

The DREAM Act doesn't allow them to vote. It doesn't allow them social services such as foodstamps or Social Security. It allows them to work legally, be taxed legally, and not get deported.

Basically, all they're asking is to live like a functional, productive adult, FFS.
Can I ask a question... And it's serious. Why are they dreamers/illegal? Why didn't the parent abide by the law and immigrate legally?
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Old 01-22-2018, 07:17 PM   #1101
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Where are the libs when us Mid Westerners and Bible Belters say the same thing..... and we ARE Americans. Obama couldn't shove his anti-American agenda down our throats fast enough.

Seems to me he said something along the line of "Elections have consequences" or something like that. And keep in mind, Trump is actually willing to work with the illegals, Obama told us in essence to get bent


It's going to take a long time for the world to come to grips with the damage Barry did. Many because she shithole pie he delivered came in a pretty package with nice words on the card affixed to the ribbon.
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Old 01-22-2018, 07:36 PM   #1102
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I'd love to be an open border world. Unfortunately, that is impossible in a world where Communism is a thing. It's especially dangerous in a world where there are a lot of people who see Communism as anything but a malignant cancer that should be stamped out like a fire in a nursery when it crops up.

As a person of hispanic descent - and just as a human - I feel bad for these people whose parents put them in this situation. I'm not interested in sending these kids "back to wherever they came." But I'm also not interested in giving them a free pass to the front of the line to crowd ahead of people doing things the way that is legal. The only solution I see is political, and that means someone has to bear the political cost of this.

The bottom line: unfortunately their parents turned them into a political playing chip when they broke the law. The burden they have placed on their kids is a real shame. Now the only solution is a political one, and that is unfortunate because the voting base has taken up with the party that doesn't give a shit about them, just their votes, so that they can implement their wretched system. In truth, Mexican people are much more culturally aligned as conservatives. But they vote largely with Democrats, and thus it turns into a polarized issue where people are being used as a political chip.
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Old 01-22-2018, 10:28 PM   #1103
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I'd love to be an open border world. Unfortunately, that is impossible in a world where Communism is a thing. It's especially dangerous in a world where there are a lot of people who see Communism as anything but a malignant cancer that should be stamped out like a fire in a nursery when it crops up.

As a person of hispanic descent - and just as a human - I feel bad for these people whose parents put them in this situation. I'm not interested in sending these kids "back to wherever they came." But I'm also not interested in giving them a free pass to the front of the line to crowd ahead of people doing things the way that is legal. The only solution I see is political, and that means someone has to bear the political cost of this.

The bottom line: unfortunately their parents turned them into a political playing chip when they broke the law. The burden they have placed on their kids is a real shame. Now the only solution is a political one, and that is unfortunate because the voting base has taken up with the party that doesn't give a shit about them, just their votes, so that they can implement their wretched system. In truth, Mexican people are much more culturally aligned as conservatives. But they vote largely with Democrats, and thus it turns into a polarized issue where people are being used as a political chip.
Totally agree, and while nice is nice, I'm not willing to let nice result in losses in getting America back on track.

If the Dems want these kids to stay, however wrong that it for the people in line, if they want this gimmie (and the votes they're get) the negotiation will have to be about what the GOP gets in trade that's equal or better? **** it if that's cruel, we didn't make this problem, and I'll be dammed if one wrong will be turned into a second wrong at the polls, at least not without something else in trade!

Perhaps they can agree that "in trade" for letting this current group of illegals to stay (and never vote), since it's all about the kids , they will:

* GOP gets their voter ID laws across the nation.

* The kid's parents agree to voluntary deportation (since they do know about their homeland)

* Eliminate the squirter laws. (Mom's sneaking over the border and squirting their out on U.S. soil for citizenship)

* Get two liberal justices to retire and confirm whomever Trump nominates.

* Confirm all Trump's other court appointments.

* Confirm all the outstanding nominations.

* Not fight shutting down Obamacare.

Hey, it's for the kids (and votes), right? Now are these poor victims of criminal parents worth it?
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Old 01-22-2018, 10:54 PM   #1104
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Old 01-22-2018, 10:55 PM   #1105
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No one could really say the truth about why Democrats accepted this offer from McConnell: that it was the best they were going to get.

This shutdown was always going to be decided by the “blame game,” as annoying as that is to say. As each side made their arguments in recent days, Republicans had the more straightforward one—Democrats were responsible for the shutdown because they filibustered a funding bill in order to secure something else. A DACA fix is popular; shutting down the government over one is much less so, especially in many of the states Senate Democrats are trying to hold in November. The polling was beginning to gravitate in Republicans’ favor.

“I hear our numbers are dropping like a rock,” Democratic Rep. Louise Slaughter of New York told Bloomberg on Monday.

There is no compelling evidence that rejecting McConnell’s offer would have resulted in a better outcome for Democrats. Polling would have drifted further to Republicans’ side, and McConnell would have waited patiently to accept Schumer’s unconditional surrender. It is surprising that McConnell even offered a handshake agreement, and may have only done so to bring Flake and South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham back on the team. Democrats chose to save face by accepting a less-than-“ironclad” commitment because that is what you do when you’ve made a losing tactical decision.
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I wonder how many government people were on their way to an expected 2-week vacation, and had to turn around and come back?
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