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Old 02-23-2011, 10:59 PM  
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Let's revisit this topic again: public financing of campaigns.

The subject has come up in a few threads as a tangeant.

Let's address it straightforwardly as its own subject, because I think it's a fascinating conversation.

I think one of the telling things about our electoral process is that during a public employee strike in Wisconsin, governor Scott Walker took 20 minutes to field a call from an imposter pretending to be a really rich guy who pours money into Tea Party politics.

Now... whatever. I don't care about the imposter thing. For the most part Walker was still consistent with his public statements, except he was far more frank about the deviousness of his political strategy. Like I said, big whoop, whatever.

But the guy making the call was clearly acting like a bit of a loon. And Walker grins and bears it, chuckling hesitantly and trying to be somewhat supportive. This guy on the phone was a lunatic, but he has a ton of cash, so he gets a huge amount of attention from public servants like Walker for almost entirely that reason alone.

Obama himself, in Audacity of Hope, wrote that you cannot really get a political career off the ground without "asking rich people for money."

For a serious shot at the Presidency, for instance, you need to campaign for a year and a half AT LEAST, which demands that you must suck up over a hundred million dollars in donations for at least 18 months' time. This means that people who are either (a.) rich, or (b.) sympathetic to the rich, or (c.) both, are the only ones who have a shot at this stage. And it doesn't get much better for either chamber of Congress.

I'm not attempting to make a comprehensive argument. I'm just trying to get the ball rolling. So let's roll.

What are your thoughts on public financing of campaigns?
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Old 02-24-2011, 11:50 PM   #16
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I would support public financing as long as their were some time limits on campaigning. Maybe 9 months for Pres/VP, 6 months for Senate and 4 months for representatives?

As it stands now only the ubber rich or someone in someone's pockets, beit Soros or the Kochs.
I completely agree.
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Old 02-24-2011, 11:53 PM   #17
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I completely agree.
You can't leave "the rich" to only individuals. What about evil orgs like the NRA, or the one's looking out for the working man, all the union $$ going to democrats?

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Old 02-24-2011, 11:55 PM   #18
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The unions would never agree to it, they have too many politicians in their pocket.
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Old 02-24-2011, 11:56 PM   #19
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You can't leave "the rich" to only individuals. What about evil orgs like the NRA, or the one's looking out for the working man, all the union $$ going to democrats?
Uhhh... yeah. That's the point I'm getting at. You're just supporting my argument.

The rich, huge interest groups, huge corporations... the uber-"have"s. Our politicians are beholden to them in our current system.

Now they will still bear a disproportionate influence in a public financing system -- which, I would argue, they should -- but only in a peripheral sense. Not in the puppetry that we experience today.
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Old 02-24-2011, 11:57 PM   #20
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The unions would never agree to it, they have too many politicians in their pocket.
The rich, interest groups, and corporations would never agree to it. Because the current system empowers them over everybody else to ridiculous degrees.

Does that tell you anything?
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Old 02-25-2011, 12:00 AM   #21
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The rich, interest groups, and corporations would never agree to it. Because the current system empowers them over everybody else to ridiculous degrees.

Doe that tell you anything?
So you would include unions then? They are a "rich, interest groups"...but since you had not mention them on your exclusion list, just corporations, I was unsure of your stance on that.
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Old 02-25-2011, 12:43 AM   #22
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Uhhh... yeah. That's the point I'm getting at. You're just supporting my argument.

The rich, huge interest groups, huge corporations... the uber-"have"s. Our politicians are beholden to them in our current system.

Now they will still bear a disproportionate influence in a public financing system -- which, I would argue, they should -- but only in a peripheral sense. Not in the puppetry that we experience today.
I'll never understand the belief people have that "public funds" means something magical will happen. Everything the gov't touches turns to shit, why in the world do folks expect a different result?
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Old 02-25-2011, 01:32 AM   #23
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So you would include unions then? They are a "rich, interest groups"...but since you had not mention them on your exclusion list, just corporations, I was unsure of your stance on that.
Absolutely.
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Old 02-25-2011, 01:33 AM   #24
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I'll never understand the belief people have that "public funds" means something magical will happen. Everything the gov't touches turns to shit, why in the world do folks expect a different result?
face meet palm

When you formulate an argument, I'll respond. This is just paranoid bullshit, stolen from Glenn Beck's radio show.
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face meet palm

When you formulate an argument, I'll respond. This is just paranoid bullshit, stolen from Glenn Beck's radio show.
Go ahead and list all the things for me that the government does so well. What is it paying for that is working?
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Old 02-25-2011, 05:53 AM   #26
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Go ahead and list all the things for me that the government does so well. What is it paying for that is working?
We have the greatest military and economy in world history.
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We have the greatest military and economy in world history.
1. Our economy is not paid for by the gov't.

2. When asked about things our gov't does well liberals always point to the military, and when asked what we need to cut, they always point to the military first.

So of everything our gov't touches, the only thing you can list that it does well is the military (which is ripe with waste, and fraud). Any other examples?
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I agree with HerculesRockefell and Bewbies.
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Old 02-25-2011, 11:26 AM   #29
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face meet palm

When you formulate an argument, I'll respond. This is just paranoid bullshit, stolen from Glenn Beck's radio show.
No it's not. It's the reality. Sometimes, a bad situation can lead to a solution that is worse. This is it, imo.
All you wind up doing is having govt determine who can run....that's a really bad idea. Govt cannot regulate itself.
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We have the greatest military and economy in world history.
Our economy is no longer Number 1. We were in 4th under Bush and have dropped to ninth place.
Hong King, Singapore, Australia, Switzerland are faring better than us.
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