*** Official 2019 Kansas City Royals Repository ***

[Mama Hip Rockets]

Get the offseason thread out of here. It's on!

Opening day roster:

Catchers (2): Cam Gallagher, Martin Maldonado

Infielders (7): Hunter Dozier, Lucas Duda, Whit Merrifield, Adalberto Mondesi, Ryan O’Hearn, Chris Owings, Frank Schwindel

Outfielders (4): Alex Gordon, Terrance Gore, Billy Hamilton, Jorge Soler

Starting pitchers (3): Jakob Junis, Brad Keller, Jorge Lopez

Relief pitchers (9): Scott Barlow, Brad Boxberger, Jake Diekman, Chris Ellis, Tim Hill, Ian Kennedy, Kevin McCarthy, Wily Peralta, Kyle Zimmer

Injured list: Danny Duffy, Brian Flynn, Jesse Hahn, Salvador Perez

Suspended: Eric Skoglund

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by dlphg9

Bubic is pitching like a TOR guy. He looks like KCs best pitcher right now. Hopefully he gets promoted soon to AA. How high could he get on prospect rankings this Winter? Top 50?

I don’t think so. His stuff isn’t loud enough. Extremely effective guys without premium fastball velo are going to slot 75-150.

Stillvery exciting results. The k rate especially.

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by tk13

Bubic's last 7 starts:

47.2 IP, 1.13 ERA, 26 H, 9 BB, 60 K

Bubic feels like a sure thing. The most sure thing to be a useful starter at the MLB level. Maybe not the top shelf potential that some of the other guys have, though.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by tk13

Gordon has 10/5 rights so he can veto any trade he wants. Of course you are only here to troll so it really doesn't matter.

Duffy and Perez should have been traded now you got 2 broke dicks wasting roster spots with large contracts. Of course they needed to keep Salvy so they could maintain being 28th in attendance but but attendance is low because it's a school night, weather, etc.

[Meatloaf]

Originally Posted by Chiefspants

Wat? He was literally one of the most valuable players in baseball in 2014.

Say what you will about 2016-now, but he straight up dominated from 2011-2015.

I appreciate your position Mr Chiefspants, I simply disagree. In my mind, Gordon has had 2 really nice years out of 13 years in the majors (2011, 2012). I mean, if you can't hit .270, you ain't exactly dominating in my book (ok, he did hit .271 in 2015). I will also grant you that up until this year he has been an outstanding left fielder from a defensive perspective.

I simply have him pegged as a decent major league player, yet he is treated (and paid) as if he is a Hall of Famer. I don't get it. Oh well, as Duncan suggests, let's move on to more important matters.......

[Chiefspants]

Originally Posted by Meatloaf

I appreciate your position Mr Chiefspants, I simply disagree. In my mind, Gordon has had 2 really nice years out of 13 years in the majors (2011, 2012). I mean, if you can't hit .270, you ain't exactly dominating in my book (ok, he did hit .271 in 2015). I will also grant you that up until this year he has been an outstanding left fielder from a defensive perspective.

I simply have him pegged as a decent major league player, yet he is treated (and paid) as if he is a Hall of Famer. I don't get it. Oh well, as Duncan suggests, let's move on to more important matters.......

Do you think batting average is the primary means of offensive effectiveness? If not, how much do you value advanced statistics?

[Al Bundy]

Originally Posted by lewdog

Have you gotten tested for Chlamydia yet?

He's Patient Zero.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Meatloaf

I appreciate your position Mr Chiefspants, I simply disagree. In my mind, Gordon has had 2 really nice years out of 13 years in the majors (2011, 2012). I mean, if you can't hit .270, you ain't exactly dominating in my book (ok, he did hit .271 in 2015). I will also grant you that up until this year he has been an outstanding left fielder from a defensive perspective.



I simply have him pegged as a decent major league player, yet he is treated (and paid) as if he is a Hall of Famer. I don't get it. Oh well, as Duncan suggests, let's move on to more important matters.......

Position players who were more valuable than Alex Gordon, 2011-15:
Mike Trout
Andrew McCutchen
Buster Posey
Miggy
Lucroy (bullshit framing metrics)
Adrian Beltre
Robby Cano
Bautista
Yadier Molina (bullshit framing metrics)
Votto

:fin:

Stop valuing batting average above all else. It’s an antiquated way of looking at quality of contribution and also inaccurate.

Gordon was not a superstar offensive performer outside of 2011 and 2012, but he was a superstar all-around player.

He’s not an MLB hall of famer (he would have 10 years of the quality of 2011-15, not 5), but he’s a Royals hall of famer, easily.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

Duffy and Perez should have been traded now you got 2 broke dicks wasting roster spots with large contracts. Of course they needed to keep Salvy so they could maintain being 28th in attendance but but attendance is low because it's a school night, weather, etc.

Keep beating that drum.

They listened on Duffy after 2017 and didn’t get anything reasonable offered.

It’s easy to say “trade a guy for prospects!” If you take the time to look at trades that offseason, there are not really any comparable. Gerrit Cole got shipped to the Astros for an uninspiring package headlined by Colin Moran and Joe Musgrove.

And it’s a stretch to suggest Duffy’s value was the same as Cole’s. It was not.

[WhawhaWhat]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

And it’s a stretch to suggest Duffy’s value was the same as Cole’s. It was not.

C'mon man. Our guys are always more valuable than their guys. Whoever heard of Gerrit Cole anyway.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Keep beating that drum.

They listened on Duffy after 2017 and didn’t get anything reasonable offered.

It’s easy to say “trade a guy for prospects!” If you take the time to look at trades that offseason, there are not really any comparable. Gerrit Cole got shipped to the Astros for an uninspiring package headlined by Colin Moran and Joe Musgrove.

And it’s a stretch to suggest Duffy’s value was the same as Cole’s. It was not.

Duffy will be 34 before this team contends and by then his arm will be shot. The real value is getting rid of his contract allowing you to also complete trades like Kennedy for Wentz and of course improve your draft position by tanking. Of course trimming the payroll also helps for as they move closer to competing being able to sign some free agents.

There is literally zero value to having Duffy on this team.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

Duffy will be 34 before this team contends and by then his arm will be shot. The real value is getting rid of his contract allowing you to also complete trades like Kennedy for Wentz and of course improve your draft position by tanking. Of course trimming the payroll also helps for as they move closer to competing being able to sign some free agents.



There is literally zero value to having Duffy on this team.

They didn’t commit to a full tank job. I won’t argue with you on that.

Weird that in 2019, there are Royals fans UPSET KC did not commit to a full tank. Amazing what a good 5-year run will do to change hearts and minds.

[Chiefspants]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

Duffy will be 34 before this team contends and by then his arm will be shot. The real value is getting rid of his contract allowing you to also complete trades like Kennedy for Wentz and of course improve your draft position by tanking. Of course trimming the payroll also helps for as they move closer to competing being able to sign some free agents.

There is literally zero value to having Duffy on this team.

Dude, you're now a Royals fan, right?

Your frequent analysis in this thread would make so much more sense.

[ChiefsCountry]

Originally Posted by Meatloaf

I appreciate your position Mr Chiefspants, I simply disagree. In my mind, Gordon has had 2 really nice years out of 13 years in the majors (2011, 2012). I mean, if you can't hit .270, you ain't exactly dominating in my book (ok, he did hit .271 in 2015). I will also grant you that up until this year he has been an outstanding left fielder from a defensive perspective.

I simply have him pegged as a decent major league player, yet he is treated (and paid) as if he is a Hall of Famer. I don't get it. Oh well, as Duncan suggests, let's move on to more important matters.......

20 million a year is not getting paid like a hall of famer. It's above average salary in the sport. Gordon is tied for #35 in the MLB on salary this year. Of course you also use BA to try to prove a point, which shows your baseball knowledge is lacking.

[Deberg_1990]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Of course you also use BA to try to prove a point, which shows your baseball knowledge is lacking.

How is that lacking? Hes just trying to say that Gordon is a average to sometimes below average MLB hitter.

Sure, there are a ton of other metrics, like his defense to help make up for it, but hes just an average hitter over his entire career.

[siberian khatru]

Gordon: 4 for his last 57

Cuthbert: 0 for his last 22

O'Hearn: 5 for his last 41

Bubba: 5 for his last 47

Lopez: 12 for his last 73

Arteaga: 6 for his last 45

(h/t David Lesky)