another Greg Williams HC thread

[FringeNC]

I'm about the biggest DV/AS supporter around and I want one of those two to be our HC in 2006...

...but if not, I want Gregg Williams. You win in this league through superior coaching. Gregg Williams has had a great D wherever he has gone. In DC, he has one of the best Ds in the league, and has zero Pro Bowlers. Zero. I'm not sure that DC has more talent on D than we do. They have Gregg. We have Gunther.

Williams definitely brings something to the table: he's a D mastermind.

What in the hell do Butch Davis and Bob Stoops bring to the table? Or for that matter, what does Herm bring to the table?

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Alphaman

Care to expound. All 3 have been rebuilt struggling organizations with great success. Fisher and Cowher have been to the Superbowl. Edwards went to the playoffs 3 times in his first 4 seasons as head coach of the Jets.

Cowher and Edwards are Marty clones, with that same play not to lose philosophy.

I don't want that kind of HC again.

And, while I think Fisher is a pretty good coach, I just don't think, at this point in time, he is the right fit for KC.

[booger]

Another thing that has me confused is why it seems by some anyway, that Edwards could be such a quick hire after leaving the jets? I've read that there is the new rule against trading picks for coaches and I understand that. I just don't see the Jets letting him go without at least a little bit of a fight. With the horrible year they have had record and injurie wise, you never seem to hear bad things from his players. In fact all of them I have seen interviewed genuinly seem to want him back.


Another thing to consider is what we went through to get DV. Giving up picks, going through arbitration with team lawyers until the league had to get involved. We all know how pro league the hunts are and they seemed to be at least dissapointed maybe even a little embarrassed at how that all was handled.

I think even the mention of any tampering would not make Lamar and family very happy with that mentioned with their club yet again.

I don't know. I guess I just don't see how we could get Herm if he is not fired. I don't get his whole contract situation. Those types of contracts are definatly not common with coaches.

[Mr. Kotter]

Originally Posted by SideWinder

Cowher and Edwards are Marty clones, with that same play not to lose philosophy.

I don't want that kind of HC again.

And, while I think Fisher is a pretty good coach, I just don't think, at this point in time, he is the right fit for KC.

You are assuming that Herm and the others are too old to learn. I don't think they are. I think they've watched Marty, and other "Martyball" type coaches, and learned you must adapt....and change with the game, or be left behind.

I think Herm, especially, might be the most flexible of the group; in a Tony Dungy kinda way....

[Mosbonian]

Originally Posted by MOhillbilly

i have mixed feelings about what was said right now. let me mull it over for acouple days and i will dish what i think is pertinant.

I'm going out on a limb with something that is nothing more than an opinion.....

I am sure that GW is set with a very nice salary as a DC in Washington, but the guy he is coaching for (Daniel Snyder) has a shorter temper (and quick trigger finger) than Howard Dean at a Republican Fund Raiser....

If he is still as competitive as he was in HS, and truly wants to become a HC again, I doubt he would turn down an opportunity even if it meant doing it in his old hometown.

mmaddog
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[MOhillbilly]

Originally Posted by mmaddog

I'm going out on a limb with something that is nothing more than an opinion.....

I am sure that GW is set with a very nice salary as a DC in Washington, but the guy he is coaching for (Daniel Snyder) has a shorter temper (and quick trigger finger) than Howard Dean at a Republican Fund Raiser....

If he is still as competitive as he was in HS, and truly wants to become a HC again, I doubt he would turn down an opportunity even if it meant doing it in his old hometown.

mmaddog
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He gets along w/ Mr. Snyder. He makes good money.
but thats not to say that if he gets everything he wants he wouldnt go somewhere else.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Mr. Kotter

You are assuming that Herm and the others are too old to learn. I don't think they are. I think they've watched Marty, and other "Martyball" type coaches, and learned you must adapt....and change with the game, or be left behind.

I think Herm, especially, might be the most flexible of the group; in a Tony Dungy kinda way....

He did get rid of Paul Hackett...

[Mr. Kotter]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

He did get rid of Paul Hackett...

Not only that, he's adjusted to personnel, both offensively and defensively during his stint in NY. And, he's done it with some talent, yes, but his record in NY, sans the disaster of this year, has been pretty good with the players he's had.

The more I think about it, the more it makes sense. Now the Jets may put the kabash on it by holding him to his contract; which wouldn't be a bad thing in my mind. On the other hand, IF he's released by the Jets....I'd say we have about 2 weeks to get used to the idea of Herm as our new head coach.

I just don't think a total rebuilding mode is what we are looking at with CP still here; I think a "reload" and "fill-the-holes" kind of approach is what we are gonna see--and I don't know if there is anyone better suited, that might be available, to do it. At least not at the moment.

[FringeNC]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

He did get rid of Paul Hackett...

Actually, Hackett maximized the effectiveness of Pennington. Pennington under Hackett was one of the highest rated QBs of all-time.

I don't think Herm getting rid of Hackett was a good thing: he brought in someone he tried to do things Pennington can't do - throw the ball down the field.

Say want you want about Hackett's play-calling, but I don't doubt he is a very good QB coach. Look at what he did with Pennington. Grbac went all to hell the year after Hackett left, and Gannon credits Hackett more than anyone.

[Mr. Kotter]

Originally Posted by FringeNC

Actually, Hackett maximized the effectiveness of Pennington. Pennington under Hackett was one of the highest rated QBs of all-time.

I don't think Herm getting rid of Hackett was a good thing: he brought in someone he tried to do things Pennington can't do - throw the ball down the field.

Say want you want about Hackett's play-calling, but I don't doubt he is a very good QB coach. Look at what he did with Pennington. Grbac went all to hell the year after Hackett left, and Gannon credits Hackett more than anyone.

Pennington's injuries had more to do with his problems than the new OC; hell, if Trent can get the ball "downfield" with his noodle, Pennington could in the right system and healthy. If NY dumps Pennington, I hope we are in line to scoop him up.

QB coach, Hackett may be fine. As an OC and HC, he's been an unmitigated failure. He''s gotten less out of some pretty good players than anyone I've ever seen--in KC, at Southern Cal, and in NY. Period.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by FringeNC

Actually, Hackett maximized the effectiveness of Pennington. Pennington under Hackett was one of the highest rated QBs of all-time.

I don't think Herm getting rid of Hackett was a good thing: he brought in someone he tried to do things Pennington can't do - throw the ball down the field.

Say want you want about Hackett's play-calling, but I don't doubt he is a very good QB coach. Look at what he did with Pennington. Grbac went all to hell the year after Hackett left, and Gannon credits Hackett more than anyone.

Huh?

EDIT - damn code

The Jets under Hackett ranked 26th, 23rd, 21st, and 12th in yards and 17th, 15th, 23rd, and 17th in points.

He may have maximized Pennington's production, which is all the more proof that Hackett's offense (that works so well with someone like Pennington) can't win games.

[FringeNC]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Huh?

EDIT - damn code

The Jets under Hackett ranked 26th, 23rd, 21st, and 12th in yards and 17th, 15th, 23rd, and 17th in points.

He may have maximized Pennington's production, which is all the more proof that Hackett's offense (that works so well with someone like Pennington) can't win games.

I'm not a big fan of the WCO, but if you are going to get rid of Hackett and his classic WCO, you need a QB other than Pennington. My point is that I question Herm's thinking.