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Old 09-21-2018, 08:41 AM  
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Justin Houstonís last year in KC?

Iím not an expert on these contracts, but could it be Houstonís last year here? His production has been awful and with two games this year with big leads and lots of down the field pass attempts by opposing QBs, Houston has no sacks. I think he has less sacks in the last 50 or so games than he did in the year before his contract, the big year with 22 sacks. His cap hit will decline dramatically next year. He might be gone. As a general rule, I think the chiefs should limit these large 2nd contracts. The motivation just isnít there. The raiders were right to trade Khalil Mack. Hereís the info on Houstonís contract. Letís hope Houston turns it around. We need him for a playoff run but if he doesnít increase production, I think heís gone.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/kansas-c...-houston-7789/
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Old 09-21-2018, 02:40 PM   #136
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Why do people have such a hard time understanding that a restructure LOWERS the cap hit.
Lowers the cap hit in the current season. It still pushes that money into later seasons. Restructuring just makes the cap hit higher later.
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Good article. Just as I suspected everything is Smitty's fault. Hope he burns in hell for all of eternity.
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Old 09-21-2018, 02:48 PM   #137
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Hey Clowney is a FA after this year want him?

Think Ezekial Ansah can stand up because Detroit probably won't keep him either.
Clowney is only 25 and has started 30 of their last 32 games.
He has some incredible physical traits. I thought coming out he could be a future DPOY.
We Chiefs love us some physical freaks too so he fits the bill there.

And according to profootballreference his nickname is
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Old 09-21-2018, 03:07 PM   #138
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Why do people have such a hard time understanding that a restructure LOWERS the cap hit.
Why do people have such a hard time understanding that a restructure LOWERS the cap hit but doesn't lower the amount of money the player is paid or how much he counts against the cap? All a restructure does is push the salary cap hit a few years later and almost always makes the hit worse.
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Old 09-21-2018, 03:17 PM   #139
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Why do people have such a hard time understanding that a restructure LOWERS the cap hit but doesn't lower the amount of money the player is paid or how much he counts against the cap? All a restructure does is push the salary cap hit a few years later and almost always makes the hit worse.
It can lower the cap hit next year, and while it would raise the cap hit in later years, the high water mark comes down. You can go from a 20 million dollar cap hit for the next year to like 10-13 a year for the next three, which frankly I think he’s worth.
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Old 09-21-2018, 03:22 PM   #140
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It can lower the cap hit this year, and while it would raise he cap hit in later years, the high water mark comes down. You can go from a 20 million dollar cap hit for the next two years to like 13 a year for the next four, which frankly I think heís worth.
Often times a restructure doesn't add additional years. It usually just means taking a portion of the base salary and converting it to a bonus so that it can be spread out over multiple years.
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Good article. Just as I suspected everything is Smitty's fault. Hope he burns in hell for all of eternity.
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Old 09-21-2018, 03:23 PM   #141
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It can lower the cap hit next year, and while it would raise the cap hit in later years, the high water mark comes down. You can go from a 20 million dollar cap hit for the next year to like 10-13 a year for the next three, which frankly I think heís worth.
This defense needs a complete rebuild. That's still too much.

Not only is he not himself and on the backside of a severe injury, he's almost 30 years old. Good teams don't keep players like him.
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Old 09-21-2018, 03:24 PM   #142
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Clowney is only 25 and has started 30 of their last 32 games.
He has some incredible physical traits. I thought coming out he could be a future DPOY.
We Chiefs love us some physical freaks too so he fits the bill there.

And according to profootballreference his nickname is
Doo Doo
Get it done Veach.
We should probably be pursuing any pass rusher we think we can land. It's not like you can have too many.
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Old 09-21-2018, 03:24 PM   #143
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Often times a restructure doesn't add additional years. It usually just means taking a portion of the base salary and converting it to a bonus so that it can be spread out over multiple years.
That must be the disconnect. I am talking about an extension and conversion of salary to bonus, with lower annual salary to bring the cap hit down.
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Old 09-21-2018, 05:22 PM   #144
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That must be the disconnect. I am talking about an extension and conversion of salary to bonus, with lower annual salary to bring the cap hit down.
Signing bonuses still count against the cap. And if you extend the number of years, you spread out the cap hit of the bonus, paying for it after the guy is gone.
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Old 09-21-2018, 05:54 PM   #145
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I'd like to see a combination of a new Defensive Coordinator + Scheme, and Justin Houston & Eric Berry restructure. I'd also add another all defensive draft in 2019.
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Old 09-21-2018, 06:07 PM   #146
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I'd like to see a combination of a new Defensive Coordinator + Scheme, and Justin Houston & Eric Berry restructure. I'd also add another all defensive draft in 2019.
I'd be fine with that, except for a center should be taken somewhere in rounds 2-3. I don't want to sink money into Morse.
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Good article. Just as I suspected everything is Smitty's fault. Hope he burns in hell for all of eternity.
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Old 09-21-2018, 07:43 PM   #147
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I'd be fine with that, except for a center should be taken somewhere in rounds 2-3. I don't want to sink money into Morse.
I'm with you, defense and lineman should be about it next draft.
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Old 09-21-2018, 09:35 PM   #148
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This defense needs a complete rebuild. That's still too much.

Not only is he not himself and on the backside of a severe injury, he's almost 30 years old. Good teams don't keep players like him.
I think at this point, in my opinion, keep Houston for 2019, let Ford go, and draft a OLB or find one on the FA. Then in 2020, that will depends how Houston performs in 2019. If he performs well in 2019, then keep him on until 2020 (to buy you some more time to find his replacement(s))

While Houston isn't the premier pass rusher like he used to be, he's not worthless by any means of the imagination. Also, he's better rounded OLB than Ford is, and Ford is only a one trick pony.

And this is just an assumption. But if Houston, for all intents and purposes, does look done, then I could see the Chiefs extending Ford, and designate Houston as a post 6/1.

The only scenario I could see that Houston and Ford being gone is if there is a new DC and new defensive scheme.
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Old 09-21-2018, 11:53 PM   #149
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The holding excuses are weak.

You think Von Miller and Chandler Jones don't get held or something?
Yeah well, let me know when we get to play Oakland.

Not to mention that unmitigated disaster they call an offensive line in Seattle.

Houston passed my eye test last week after a disappointing week 1.
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Old 09-22-2018, 03:33 AM   #150
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Cutting Houston and tagging Ford would be madness, tag would be north of $15m and then $7.5m of dead cap from Houston means 1 OLB slot on the roster is costing you probably $25m and you're getting Ford for that? Insanity.

There's $50m in cap space as it stands right now for 2019 with Berry and Houston on no kind of re-structure, even after re-signing role players and looking at an extension or two you're still probably looking at $25-30m to spend on free agents on the defense next year, seems like a decent amount of cash to me?

I'd probably look at big name safety and D line free agents, then look at lower cost serviceable options for OLB and CB with all top 3 draft picks going on the defense again.
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