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Old 11-11-2019, 10:25 PM   #7531
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I don't. That's why I'm asking. Has he?
It doesn't matter. There's enough conflicting interest with biden forcing the removal of a foreign prosecutor in a quid pro quo to protect the company his son was employed with an investigation is warranted.
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Old 11-11-2019, 10:57 PM   #7532
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This is like thinking a crime boss telling his underlings to 'take care of it' and then them murdering someone ok. You look so madcow broken here it's sickening. You are clearly defending hillary and her actions only because of your TDS.
No, I'm actually not. Your DDS is acting up. Again, we don't know that she was aware of it at all. If you can show that she did, prove it. I can prove that the Trump campaign was. And I have. Repeatedly. Are you okay with that fact?

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No we don't know that as fact. What we do know now shokin was fired by biden within weeks of Burisma contacting the state department asking for a meeting regarding their assumed corruption. If you don't believe that look up John Solomon and what he acquired through the FOIA. The timing is suspicious enough for investigation.
Yes, we do know that the Obama administration (and others) wanted Shokin gone because he wasn't investigating corruption. It's public record and fact. Fine, investigate it. Just do it without Trump asking a foreign leader to do it after a quid pro quo.

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You didn't come close to responding to schiff lying and not allowing republicans to call the witnesses they want. Doesn't fit your narrative. More TDS.
I stated that Schiff lied. Look it up.

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Such a wide open rhetorical question but if the roles were reversed and it was trump running for president after forcing the removal of a foreign prosecutor to protect trump jr. I'd have to admit asking for it to be looked into by ukraine was justified. But your TDS makes you defend biden.
Yes, it's rhetorical, because Obama didn't do what Trump has done. You didn't answer, BTW. Have you stopped to wonder why Biden would so openly admit to wanting Shokin gone in order to protect his son?
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Old 11-11-2019, 10:58 PM   #7533
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It doesn't matter. There's enough conflicting interest with biden forcing the removal of a foreign prosecutor in a quid pro quo to protect the company his son was employed with an investigation is warranted.
Of course it matters. You just don't like it.

Regarding an investigation, see above.
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Old 11-11-2019, 11:00 PM   #7534
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Old 11-11-2019, 11:22 PM   #7535
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Of course it matters. You just don't like it.

Regarding an investigation, see above.
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Old 11-12-2019, 12:15 AM   #7536
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Old 11-12-2019, 12:39 AM   #7537
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ANALYSIS: Democrats have a Colonel Vindman problem

House Democrats conducted their impeachment interviews in secret, but Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman still emerged as star of the show. Appearing at his Oct. 29 deposition in full dress uniform, the decorated Army officer, now a White House National Security Council Ukraine expert, was the first witness who had actually listened to the phone call between President Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky that is at the heart of the Democratic impeachment campaign. Even though lawmakers were forbidden to discuss his testimony in public, Vindman's leaked opening statement that "I did not think it was proper [for Trump] to demand that a foreign government investigate a U.S. citizen" exploded on news reports.

Vindman has not yet been scheduled to appear before the Democrats' public impeachment hearings. When that happens, he will undoubtedly again play a prominent role. But there will be a difference. The public now has a transcript of Vindman's deposition. And those who have taken the trouble to read the 340-page document will have a different picture of Vindman's testimony than the one presented in early media reports. ..
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Old 11-12-2019, 07:10 AM   #7538
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Pelosi president yet?
Nope. 11/12/2019 and President Trump is still our President.

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Old 11-12-2019, 07:24 AM   #7539
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Some quotes from the Examiner article already pointed out.

LTC Vindman....
The “fact” witness on the phonecall...

“You don't think there was any malicious intent to specifically not add those edits?" asked Republican counsel Steve Castor.

"I don't think so."
"So otherwise, this record is complete and I think you used the term 'very accurate'?"
"Yes," said Vindman.

"Yeah," said Vindman. "So I guess you can interpret it in different ways."

....So, Vindman's basic answer was: I won't tell you because that's a secret. After several such exchanges, Volkov got tough with lawmakers, suggesting further inquiries might hurt Vindman's feelings.

“Did you check with any of your authoritative sources whether he was a corporate governance expert or — "
"Like I said, I didn't," Vindman answered. "He's an American citizen. Certainly there are domestic political overtones. I did not think that was appropriate for me to start looking into this particular ... I drew my conclusions on Burisma and I moved on."


"It was their decisions, not the president's, that were in the best interest of America, they said," Haley wrote. "The president didn't know what he was doing."

That view extended deep into some areas of the government. Now, parts of the foreign policy bureaucracy are in open war with the president, channeling their grievances through the House Democrats' drive toward impeachment. When he testifies in public, Vindman will be the living embodiment of that bureaucratic war.”

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...indman-problem

Now the posts are “extortion “ because apparently quid pro quo is too hard to message.
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I stated that Schiff lied. Look it up.
IF you did, it was 100% backtracking from denying it repeatedly. Look it up.
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Old 11-12-2019, 08:52 AM   #7541
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Yes, we do know that the Obama administration (and others) wanted Shokin gone because he wasn't investigating corruption. It's public record and fact. Fine, investigate it. Just do it without Trump asking a foreign leader to do it after a quid pro quo.




So it appears from State Department emails that Burisma is actively seeking the removal of Shokin. That they are using Hunter's name in doing so. There is no showing that Joe's power play was at all discussed within the administration.

See the question is whether there is a legitimate US interest. If there is then it is not a quid pro quo. Further for a quid pro quo there needs to be a tie between the events. In this case the transcript clearly indicates a request. Maybe they have something else that Trump said. But the actual language is more of the "whatever you can do" type of request.
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IF you did, it was 100% backtracking from denying it repeatedly. Look it up.
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“You finally get to the point where nobody breaks from what the speaker wants or what the party leaders want,” Amash tells me. “I’ve called it a partisan death spiral. There’s no real way out because you’d have to convince the majority of Congress to break from the system that seems to work well for a lot of them.” He doesn’t see that happening any time soon. “For most of them, from their perspective, it’s a good gig. They get to stay in power. They don’t have to think. And they’re taken care of.”​

All of this worsened under Trump. Amash’s comrades in the House Freedom Caucus stopped caring so much about deficits and an open legislative process — now, it was all about delivering for the president. “I used to feel like I had more people who were willing to stand up for the right thing,” Amash says. “In recent years and especially in recent months, people have capitulated and allowed the system to consume them.”​

The Justice Department released the Mueller Report on April 18th, Amash’s 39th birthday. He told himself that, unlike his Republican colleagues, he wouldn’t weigh in until he had read the report, front to back, all 448 pages of it. The Russian interference findings in Volume I unsettled him, but it was the evidence of obstruction of justice laid out in the second volume that floored him.​

A month after the report came out, Amash wrote a tweet. He took aim at Attorney General Bill Barr for having “deliberately misrepresented Mueller’s report.” He stated that Trump had “engaged in impeachable conduct” as laid out in the Mueller report. And he blasted his colleagues in Congress for not bothering to read the report in the first place. He took a deep breath and hit send.​

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It’s a “totally corrupt” system, he told one audience. “You either fall in line and the party apparatus supports you. Or if you have independent thoughts, you are punished, criticized, and attacked even by your own party.”​

After he tweeted in support of impeachment, Trump called him a “lightweight” and a “loser.” The Republican National Committee accused him of failing the people he represented. As of this writing, there are five Republicans (and four Democrats) vying to knock Amash out of office, including the scion of one of Michigan’s wealthiest families. One accused him of teaming up with “radical liberals … to try and bring down our president.” One of his biggest donors, the Christian conservative DeVos family, disavowed him. Some of his closest friends chastised him for going public with his support for impeachment. Why couldn’t he have kept those thoughts to himself?​

Amash says he wasn’t happy to have found what he did in the Mueller report. “Nobody wants to find that the president has engaged in impeachable conduct,” he tells me. “But I had an obligation to constituents to tell them. It was an attempt to write something that would be correct for history.” He says he’s still friends with lawmakers like Thomas Massie and Jim Jordan, but neither Massie nor Jordan would agree to speak about Amash for this story. ​

His central message, however, is not about the poisonous partisanship in Washington. It’s about putting his faith in the very people who came out to his town halls and chimed in on his (still active) Facebook page and Twitter. The typical voter, he says, isn’t as partisan as the politicians and consultants in Washington think. Amash believes he has more support in his district, not less, since he turned independent. That was true at the handful of events I attended, where the number of people who thanked him for what he’d done outnumbered the ones who criticized him for “betraying” the president.​

“That is not the narrative they expected,” he told one crowd. “That means we are going to surprise them with this. It will help change the mindset in Washington, and I think that is critically important.”​
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So it appears from State Department emails that Burisma is actively seeking the removal of Shokin. That they are using Hunter's name in doing so. There is no showing that Joe's power play was at all discussed within the administration.

See the question is whether there is a legitimate US interest. If there is then it is not a quid pro quo. Further for a quid pro quo there needs to be a tie between the events. In this case the transcript clearly indicates a request. Maybe they have something else that Trump said. But the actual language is more of the "whatever you can do" type of request.
Do you dispute Sondland's revised testimony that the aid was linked to Ukraine providing a public anti-corruption statement?
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