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Old 09-24-2019, 03:30 PM  
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Old 10-30-2019, 08:45 AM   #6031
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He blocked questions that attempted to out the whistleblower.
Or that implicated him in the act of criminal mishandling of classified information.
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Old 10-30-2019, 08:50 AM   #6032
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Yes, for the benefit of the United States. Do you see how what Trump asked for benefits him politically? If so, do you think that is acceptable?
Everything Trump requested in the call seemed to be for the benefit of the United States. It's a benefit to the country to understand what happened in 2016 and what was going on between Ukraine and the Obama administration.

As for the coincidental political benefits that might accrue to Trump and the GOP, the democrats brought that on themselves. It’s really hard to feel sorry for them. They broke our politics.
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Old 10-30-2019, 08:53 AM   #6033
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Everything Trump requested in the call seemed to be for the benefit of the United States. It's a benefit to the country to understand what happened in 2016 and what was going on between Ukraine and the Obama administration.
Yes, I know that is your position. We also know that Trump's own personal attorney was sent to Ukraine to get dirt on Biden. I'm sure that was just a coincidence and it benefiting Trump had nothing to do with Trump's asking for his favor.
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Old 10-30-2019, 08:59 AM   #6034
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Or that implicated him in the act of criminal mishandling of classified information.
This one was the obvious reason.
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Old 10-30-2019, 09:00 AM   #6035
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Or that implicated him in the act of criminal mishandling of classified information.
You think the WB did that?
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Old 10-30-2019, 09:01 AM   #6036
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As for the coincidental political benefits that might accrue to Trump and the GOP, the democrats brought that on themselves. It’s really hard to feel sorry for them. They broke our politics.
How did they do that?
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Old 10-30-2019, 09:03 AM   #6037
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Everything Trump requested in the call seemed to be for the benefit of the United States. It's a benefit to the country to understand what happened in 2016 and what was going on between Ukraine and the Obama administration.

As for the coincidental political benefits that might accrue to Trump and the GOP, the democrats brought that on themselves. It’s really hard to feel sorry for them. They broke our politics.
If Trump was exonerated regarding Russian collusion, then where's the benefit really for Trump, especially when it's brought this onto him. No it's been a risk for him, being surrounded by his enemies trying everything to take him down. Even if one doesn't see this and still claims there is a benefit to Trump personally, well it still benefits the nation to handle corruption. So it benefits both that way. Still, it's not yet a fact that Biden will be his rival in the 2020 election.

Trump ran on handling corruption as well so it fulfills that mandate for which his voters voted.

And this Star Chamber impeachment being conducted secretly in the basement of the Capital, benefits Biden personally and the Democrats just the same. There they go again, accusing Trump of doing what they're doing.
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Old 10-30-2019, 09:07 AM   #6038
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Everything Trump requested in the call seemed to be for the benefit of the United States. It's a benefit to the country to understand what happened in 2016 and what was going on between Ukraine and the Obama administration.
Which law enforcement agency had an open and ongoing investigation into Biden for Ukraine to share their findings with?

Wait, let's back up a bit. What evidence, if any, is there that shows that isn't a stupid conspiracy theory?
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Or that implicated him in the act of criminal mishandling of classified information.
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Had this been done above board we would know the answer. But some are all for the Soviet tactics of "just trust what we tell you".
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Old 10-30-2019, 09:13 AM   #6040
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He blocked questions that attempted to out the whistleblower.
Holy crap where do you get your information?

Schiff didn't want his star witness being questioned on who he spoke to about his leaked information since presidential calls are classifeed.

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“When we asked who he spoke to after important events in July—Adam Schiff says, ‘no, no, no, we’re not going to let him answer that question,”‘ Jordan said.

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Old 10-30-2019, 09:17 AM   #6041
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“Sources from both parties told CNN that the changes were not seen as significant. In his testimony, which came during yet another explosive deposition on Capitol Hill, Vindman testified that the White House's rough transcript was mostly accurate in describing the contents of the July 25 phone call between Trump and Zelensky aside from the edits he wanted to make.”


“Vindman testified that he spoke to his twin brother, who works in the National Security Council's ethics office, to discuss his concerns about the July 25 call, according to multiple sources.”


“Schumer is requesting a briefing on “what actions the Army is taking to ensure that LC Vindman and other whistleblowers like him are afforded appropriate protections.”

I hope the Army greatly reduces the FAO program and stops assigning guys to the NSC.

That was the USMC’s response to LtCol Ollie North for 20 years. Never trust a guy who gives up combat arms for staff work in a suit. Of any Service.

Then Vindman suddenly finds his uniform and displays his former combat arms branch awards and Presidential Service Badge when marching to Schiff. The badges are serialized and personal usually recommended by the senior Military Assistant after the criteria are met.
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It was as good as any SGTMAJ to a Private but way more public. I was just the object of his wrath. I never went another day under him, not wearing his badge though.....
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Old 10-30-2019, 09:18 AM   #6042
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ahhh there it is.
Yep! Amazing how banyon is backing the MIC/warfare state along with the secret world of of intel spooks, that are getting us into such wars and corrupt govts—not to mention the multi-national corporations that want to keep it all going or feel threatened by Trump's ideas, which have been thwarted every which way.

Gone are the days of men like Frank Church in the Democrat party who exposed the dirty dealings of such people.
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Old 10-30-2019, 09:22 AM   #6043
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Wait, let's back up a bit. What evidence, if any, is there that shows Russian collusiom wan't just a stupid conspiracy theory?
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Old 10-30-2019, 09:25 AM   #6044
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If you didn't have you head in your ass, you would know this is from a Republican rule change.

Its amusing watching the GOP complain about a process they set up with the goal of going after Clinton if she won in 2016.
Quit spouting your stupid drivel... The R's changed the rules to allow subpoenas by any committee chair. To use this as a reason not to follow precedent on previous impeachment inquiries and hold close door meetings shows your total lack of logic and your sheep mentality.
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“Vindman testified that he spoke to his twin brother, who works in the National Security Council's ethics office, to discuss his concerns about the July 25 call, according to multiple sources.”
JHC, we get two of them? Corrupt Ukrainians. Sorry but it's in their blood after decades of living in a communist system. Why are they serving in our govt in such positions?

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“Schumer is requesting a briefing on “what actions the Army is taking to ensure that LC Vindman and other whistleblowers like him are afforded appropriate protections.”
Did Schumer do any like this for the WBs who were run out on a rail and jailed under Obama's administration? I don't think so.

He's just another posturing hypocrite riding a phony high moral horse and virtue signaling.

I think Schumer is engaging in some projection here if he thinks this man isn't safe. He's apparently very familiar with how the Clinton's operated.

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I hope the Army greatly reduces the FAO program and stops assigning guys to the NSC.
I certainly do NOT think we need 17 different intel agencies either. This is another reason, I call the US the surveillance state.

Oh, and Rumsfeld is a dick: liar and a traitor.
Ollie is a NeoCon.
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