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Old 09-24-2019, 03:30 PM  
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Old 11-12-2019, 10:29 AM   #7576
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Why not? Trump has stated that he wants to confront his accusers. He wants others to testify. Why shouldn't he?
Guess that is his call. Personally I would continue to run his campaign and not give the scam Schiff impeachment the time of day.

Let the Senate tie up the Democrats running for office and Biden try to justify his swamp looking payoffs.
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Old 11-12-2019, 10:30 AM   #7577
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That's correct. And that isn't the issue. We've been giving Ukraine aid because they are fighting our adversary and we oppose Russian aggression (i.e., US foreign policy advancement).

The issue is that Trump asked Zelensky to look into the Bidens. We are told that he did so because he suddenly cares about corruption. I don't believe that for a second.
Suddenly? The guy ran on "drain the swamp". You use the anecdote about Trump participating in pay to play politics from the payers side to indict him as someone willing to get involved in corruption when really he told that story as part of his explanation of how swampy American politcs are. I don't know if his concern with the corrupt swamp is sincere or not, but it's not sudden.
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Old 11-12-2019, 10:30 AM   #7578
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Sondland admits he *assumed* there was one. Wrong ocean, moored ship.
True, he claims he assumed. And where would he get the assumption from?
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Old 11-12-2019, 10:31 AM   #7579
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Suddenly? The guy ran on "drain the swamp". You use the anecdote about Trump participating in pay to play politics from the payers side to indict him as someone willing to get involved in corruption when really he told that story as part of his explanation of how swampy American politcs are. I don't know if his concern with the corrupt swamp is sincere or not, but it's not sudden.
IIRC, Trump's use of that phrase was specific to lobbying in DC. No? And, again, surely Trump has withheld aid to other countries because of concerns about corruption, right?
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Old 11-12-2019, 10:31 AM   #7580
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True, he claims he assumed. And where would he get the assumption from?
That is the thing about assumptions, sometimes they are incorrect.
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That is the thing about assumptions, sometimes they are incorrect.
And sometimes they aren't assumptions at all.
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And sometimes they aren't assumptions at all.
Thought you said Sondland said he was operating on an assumption.
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Thought you said Sondland said he was operating on an assumption.
I agree that he claims that, yes.
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IIRC, Trump's use of that phrase was specific to lobbying in DC. No? And, again, surely Trump has withheld aid to other countries because of concerns about corruption, right?
I don't know why you keep going back to this. It's not necessary to have concerns over corruption in every country to have legitimate concerns about corruption in Ukraine (potentially implicating American politicians/assorted Obama officials and impacting the 2016 election).
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I don't know why you keep going back to this. It's not necessary to have concerns over corruption in every country to have legitimate concerns about corruption in Ukraine (potentially implicating American politicians and impacting the 2016 election).
Because if Trump actually cared about corruption, and not just in Ukraine where he asked Zelensky to look into the Bidens and his lawyers was sent to get dirt on the Bidens, it's logical to presume that Trump has withheld other aid if that was his only concern.
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I agree that he claims that, yes.
So now he is lying about things. Because that calls into question about all his testimony. Including the quid and quo.
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So now he is lying about things. Because that calls into question about all his testimony. Including the quid and quo.
It seems to be trickling out of him, yes. We also have other testimony that the aid was linked, so we aren't just relying on him.
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Because if Trump actually cared about corruption, and not just in Ukraine where he asked Zelensky to look into the Bidens and his lawyers was sent to get dirt on the Bidens, it's logical to presume that Trump has withheld other aid if that was his only concern.
Think his point is that are there other countries that were involved with Americans that tried to effect the 2016 election and that prominent government officials were doing what looks to be corrupt things in as well? That we are giving aid to?
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It seems to be trickling out of him, yes. We also have other testimony that the aid was linked, so we aren't just relying on him.
So he is only telling the truth about what is negative to Trump anything helpful he must be lying?
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Because if Trump actually cared about corruption, and not just in Ukraine where he asked Zelensky to look into the Bidens and his lawyers was sent to get dirt on the Bidens, it's logical to presume that Trump has withheld other aid if that was his only concern.
As I already indicated, your premise is flawed.
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