Why Geno Smith fell in the draft

[tk13]

I've seen a couple other posts about this... but this probably deserves it's own thread considering how many hours we've wasted arguing about the guy. This is the first article I've seen theorizing why Geno fell in the draft. Time will tell whether it's accurate.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--ge...183846651.html

On April 23, Smith, his agents, some family members and several friends gathered for dinner in New York in advance of the draft, a gathering confirmed by a family member. At one point, everyone around the table stood to give a toast to celebrate the evening.

Smith went last, thanking everyone and declaring that entire group – his agents included – were a "family" that would stay together his entire career, if not the rest of his life, the sources said. Smith, who at one point was expecting to be the No. 1 overall pick and at least a top 10 selection, has big plans for his career. Smith, according to the sources, hopes to emulate players such as Peyton Manning, Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers, putting himself cut above the rest of the quarterback fray.

The problem is that NFL types see a guy who, right now, doesn't understand how to get there.

"His biggest problem is that he doesn't know what he doesn't know," said a league executive, who spent extensive time assessing Smith before the draft.

"I'm not sure he knows how to take instruction because he pretty much wouldn't listen or talk to our coaches … he's talented. He can sling it, he can fit it into tight spots, he can do a lot of things and I think he wants to be good. But you can't tell him anything right now. He's tuned out because he thinks he's got it all down."

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One possible factor in Smith dropping to the second round is a concern about leadership.

"He doesn't have much presence, not much of a leader," said another league executive, who spent a great deal of time studying Smith before the draft. "I don't think he's a bad person, but that's not enough to be a quarterback in this league."

Two sources indicated that when Smith went on some visits to teams, rather than interact with coaches and front-office people, he would spend much of his time on his cell phone. Instead of being engaged with team officials, he would be texting friends or reading Twitter or a number of other distracting activities.

"All these other players who were in there were talking to the coaches, trying to get to know people and he was over there by himself," one of the sources said. "That's not what you want out of your quarterback."

Both sources indicated that Florida State's E.J. Manuel, who was selected ahead of Smith at No. 16 overall by Buffalo, was far more impressive in terms of his personality and maturity.

"Manuel gets it, he gets the whole big picture of what it takes to lead a team," one of the league executives said.

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By Sunday, Smith was being convinced by other friends that it was the fault of his agents that he slipped so much in the draft, according to one of the sources.

"Right now, he's blaming everybody but himself and he has some buddies around him who are telling him that same thing," the source said.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

Why not root for success because, you know, it would actually be success?

Because I give Alex Smith about a 1% chance of leading this team deep into and winning in playoffs year in and year out over the next 5 years. Any signs of success even at 8-8 just prolongs the emphasis and finding someone else to play QB. I'd rather be 2-14 again than 8-8 this year. Alex needs to suck and suck royally and I believe he can although this cupcake schedule we have doesn't help matters.

[Setsuna]

Originally Posted by Lightrise

Wow, it was even worse than my instincts told me it was. I never could shake Vince Young visions and this strongly suggests why his coaches couldn't get him out of the pocket. He won't listen.

So because he's black he MUST get out of the pocket? That's ludicrous.

[Messier]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Because I give Alex Smith about a 1% chance of leading this team deep into and winning in playoffs year in and year out over the next 5 years. Any signs of success even at 8-8 just prolongs the emphasis and finding someone else to play QB. I'd rather be 2-14 again than 8-8 this year. Alex needs to suck and suck royally and I believe he can although this cupcake schedule we have doesn't help matters.

Yeah, the Chiefs would have a much better chance of sucking and only winning two games again, with one of the rookies starting for them. That's the truth.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Messier

Yeah, the Chiefs would have a much better chance of sucking and only winning two games again, with one of the rookies starting for them. That's the truth.

Possibly, but they would have a better chance of being good in the long term. I would have still sat one of them for a year anyways and brought in Flynn, Palmer, or Kolb for a year since they were basically given away for late round picks. Use that 2nd on a player that can help the team in the long term.

[ChiefsCountry]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

McCarron ... really?

isn't Boyd a smurf?

Boyd sucks. But go back and watch some YouTube on McCarron, he looks like a different player when you focus in on him. Arm, accurate, right size, nice swagger. Watching Alabama games last year live, you swear he is a game manager turd but he is actually a very good quarterback prospect.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Possibly, but they would have a better chance of being good in the long term. I would have still sat one of them for a year anyways and brought in Flynn, Palmer, or Kolb for a year since they were basically given away for late round picks. Use that 2nd on a player that can help the team in the long term.

Where do you get that? And, if you really believe that, do you not extend Bray the same consideration?

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

Where do you get that? And, if you really believe that, do you not extend Bray the same consideration?

Because I'll take the unknown over the known. Most likely one or more of the QB's in the draft will be much better than Alex Smith. Buy a lottery ticket or two and see what happens. Obviously it's a Chief's board so we are seeing shit like 10-6 and playoff wins predicted, but the truth is that's just not going to happen with Alex Smith and this Chief team.

Not anymore than I would have given James Kilian. If they were going to throw numbers at the position than I might be a little more excited with Bray, but they didn't even do that.


I understand people are dug into their position and they aren't going to believe until they see it with their own eyes for about a month or two.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Because I'll take the unknown over the known. Most likely one or more of the QB's in the draft will be much better than Alex Smith. Buy a lottery ticket or two and see what happens. Obviously it's a Chief's board so we are seeing shit like 10-6 and playoff wins predicted, but the truth is that's just not going to happen with Alex Smith and this Chief team.

Not anymore than I would have given James Kilian. If they were going to throw numbers at the position than I might be a little more excited with Bray, but they didn't even do that.


I understand people are dug into their position and they aren't going to believe until they see it with their own eyes for about a month or two.

If there had been a run on QBs in the third round, would you feel better about Bray if we had drafted him with our comp pick?

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

If there had been a run on QBs in the third round, would you feel better about Bray if we had drafted him with our comp pick?

Did you see him with Gruden? This guy is a poor man's Grbac.

I would have felt better with a guy like Jones or Barkley AND Bray. Maybe let those two battle it out for #2 and #3. Having Chase Daniel at the backup is a waste of a roster spot.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by King_Chief_Fan

stuff from you gets a "yawn"...you have proven to be brainless

Did you bust out your old 9-7 badge for the coming season yet?
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[Mr_Tomahawk]

Evan Silva‏@evansilva1m
NFC scout on Geno Smith: "He's going to have a tough time in New York...He's coming off as a spoiled, pampered brat":

[The Bad Guy]

Originally Posted by Hootie

Yeah it'll be real awesome to watch our starting QB suck...my God people

Further proving my point that people here would rather lose with Alex Smith so they could attempt to be right about Geno.

[cockeyes]

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk

Evan Silva‏@evansilva1m
NFC scout on Geno Smith: "He's going to have a tough time in New York...He's coming off as a spoiled, pampered brat":

Sanchez - turnover machine that he is - has a better makeup than vaGeno does. If he didn't succeed under these circumstances (and when the team had more talent) vaGeno is not likely to. The reports on vaGeno all pointed out his high number of fumbles, ball security isn't his strength either.

Of course it's possible Ryan could be fired and a bangup new coaching staff will be brought in and they could decide to stick with vaGeno and could be successful stocking the team with talent again and he could grow up and turn into a good QB.

But aren't the chances more likely that vaGeno will have to land with another team first?

Any potential replacement coaching staff would presumably have NFL experience and this probably belong to one of the staffs that this year passed on vaGeno at least once, possibly two or more times. What are the chances they will stick with a Rex Ryan leftover? A new coach usually wants to select his own QB. They especially don't want to inherit one with maturity problems.

vaGeno's best chance might be to wash out in New York as quickly as possible, strange as it seems.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by cockeyes

Sanchez - turnover machine that he is - has a better makeup than vaGeno does.

you're nuts ... Geno and Sanchez appear to be brothers from different mothers

both appear to be immature prima donna


of course this is all 3rd party information so will will have to wait and see

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Further proving my point that people here would rather lose with Alex Smith so they could attempt to be right about Geno.

Not true.

I'd rather lose with Alex and move on quickly for the search for that guy that's going to be a top 10 QB in the league for the next decade rather than waste 3-4 years spinning our wheels.