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'Hamas' Jenkins · 10-04-2013, 11:46 AM

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eDave · 11-01-2013, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

As Hamas said, CF, SS are those great needs worthy of sacrificing that cost controlled pitching talent.

Any way around that? AAA guys? /shrug

**BigRedChief** · 11-01-2013, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by eDave

Any way around that? AAA guys? /shrug

Nope, absolutely nothing even close for a SS. Taveras's natural position is RF but because of his speed and Cardinals need they are moving him to CF.

It will probably look something like this.

Carpenter 3B
Taveras CF
Holliday LF
Craig RF
Molina C
Adams 1B
New SS
Wong 2B
Pitcher

O.city · 11-01-2013, 06:23 PM

I think you gotta keep Beltran around. If you don't, with the money we're gonna have, I wouldn't be terribly upset if they decided to put Otav in RF, and go CF shopping.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 11-01-2013, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

You guys need a bat. Your home run numbers are down in Royalsland. 3B I think you are screwed on unless you find a sucker for Freese, then slide Carpenter to third. Not much out there on the FA market though. SS open up the wallet for Stephen Drew or Jhonny Peralta. Center field you have Tavares coming up, he is suppose to be able to play center. Jay would be a perfect 4th outfielder IMO.

Now for Stanton, he is a legit 30 plus home run hitter, especially if you throw him between Holliday, Molina, and Craig. If you re-sign Beltran then this all for naught. I think the Marlins would listen to a package of Shelby Miller, Adams, Tyrell Jenkins, throw in another top 10 Cardinal prospect and a PITB. Maybe Wong if they want more.

Carpenter
Craig
Holliday
Stanton
Molina
Tavares
Freese
Drew

That would be a rock solid lineup.

You aren't considering the Cardinals' needs properly.

Tulowitzki fills a hole in the lineup and on the field. The Cardinals have three bats that profile in right: Craig, Beltran, and Taveras. You *can* shift Taveras to center, but it's not optimal.

Signing Peralta is just a dumb shit move, period.
Signing Drew now costs the team a draft pick. There is almost no chance of that happening.

Trading for Stanton costs more in prospects than would Tulowitzki while still leaving two gaping holes in your MIF.

If the team is going to move Carpenter to third they need to add significant offensive value to the infield, because his bat does not profile as well at third, where he would be a good hitter, compared to second, where he was the best offensive 2B outside of Cano this year.

Trading for Stanton would be a Cubs move.

Ultiamtely, Tulowitzki + Beltran > Stanton + Drew and would cost fewer prospects.

**BigRedChief** · 11-01-2013, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

I think you gotta keep Beltran around. If you don't, with the money we're gonna have, I wouldn't be terribly upset if they decided to put Otav in RF, and go CF shopping.

Beltran needs to be in the AL so he can DH. Reports are that he wants 3 years. No way he lasts another 3 years in the field. We offer a one year and take the draft pick.

CF shopping is expensive. Chin so so and Elksberry are going to make $15-20 million a year for 4-5 years at least.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 11-01-2013, 08:13 PM

You make the QO to Beltran, which is 1/14, then you offer him 2/$22 once he turns it down. If he does, you take the pick and move on.

We have internal options for the OF. I'm not concerned about getting a starter out there. However, I think the Cardinals would be wise to target a guy like Young who has a history of hitting LHP well and plays good OF defense. His SB numbers have also declined of late, but he still has some running ability as well.

They could also target Franklin Guiterrez. He can't stay healthy, but as a part time player he also offers good pop from the right side of the plate. The Mariners just bought him out today.

Choo is a RF in actuality. He was a worse defensive CF than Jay last year. I see him going to Boston.

Long term, Piscotty looks capable of being a 15/15 guy and with his speed and arm he should develop into a very good defensive OF.

O.city · 11-01-2013, 08:44 PM

If you were to make a deal for Tulo, would you be at all interested in trying to bring dexter fowler back in said trade?

And I know it's not the cardinal way, but would you entertain buying low on starlin Castro?

I'd still really like to see...

Carpenter
Beltran
Tulo
Holliday
Craig
Yadi
Tavares
Wong
P

eDave · 11-01-2013, 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Nope, absolutely nothing even close for a SS. Taveras's natural position is RF but because of his speed and Cardinals need they are moving him to CF.

It will probably look something like this.

Carpenter 3B
Taveras CF
Holliday LF
Craig RF
Molina C
Adams 1B
New SS
Wong 2B
Pitcher

Thanks dude. Gotta give to get I suppose. Nice ass.

jd1020 · 11-01-2013, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

And I know it's not the cardinal way, but would you entertain buying low on starlin Castro?

Buy low on a 23 yr old loaded with talent?

Better be willing to part with a couple top prospects.

**BigRedChief** · 11-01-2013, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

Buy low on a 23 yr old loaded with talent?

Better be willing to part with a couple top prospects.

and he has an attitude the whole time. **** Castro!

jd1020 · 11-01-2013, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

and he has an attitude the whole time. **** Castro!

Indeed.

I don't see him lasting more than a couple years in Chicago if he continues to have down years like 2013 with Baez coming up, but he wont come "cheap."

Better be willing to part with a couple top arms in that bullpen.

O.city · 11-01-2013, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

Indeed.

I don't see him lasting more than a couple years in Chicago if he continues to have down years like 2013 with Baez coming up, but he wont come "cheap."

Better be willing to part with a couple top arms in that bullpen.

Yeah, no.

He wouldn't cost that much at this point, it ain't 2 years ago.

O.city · 11-01-2013, 10:00 PM

For a couple top bullpen arms, I'd be going after a much higher profile ss than Castro

'Hamas' Jenkins · 11-01-2013, 10:29 PM

The Cubs have a rapid riser at short. They are likely going to look to move Castro to another position or trade him. I can't imagine the Cubs swinging a deal with us, though.

The A's and O's might listen to offers for Lowrie and Hardy respectively, but we would likely overpay.

jd1020 · 11-01-2013, 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

The Cubs have a rapid riser at short. They are likely going to look to move Castro to another position or trade him. I can't imagine the Cubs swinging a deal with us, though.

The A's and O's might listen to offers for Lowrie and Hardy respectively, but we would likely overpay.

They either move him to 2nd and move Barney or trade him, but it makes no sense to trade him now unless someone wows them. Baez may be a September call up so at earliest I can see them trading Castro at the deadline, but not this offseason.

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'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $8009572	You make the QO to Beltran, which is 1/14, then you offer him 2/$22 once he turns it down. If he does, you take the pick and move on. We have internal options for the OF. I'm not concerned about getting a starter out there. However, I think the Cardinals would be wise to target a guy like Young who has a history of hitting LHP well and plays good OF defense. His SB numbers have also declined of late, but he still has some running ability as well. They could also target Franklin Guiterrez. He can't stay healthy, but as a part time player he also offers good pop from the right side of the plate. The Mariners just bought him out today. Choo is a RF in actuality. He was a worse defensive CF than Jay last year. I see him going to Boston. Long term, Piscotty looks capable of being a 15/15 guy and with his speed and arm he should develop into a very good defensive OF. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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11-01-2013, 10:29 PM	#3614
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $8009572	The Cubs have a rapid riser at short. They are likely going to look to move Castro to another position or trade him. I can't imagine the Cubs swinging a deal with us, though. The A's and O's might listen to offers for Lowrie and Hardy respectively, but we would likely overpay. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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