Chiefs 2-14 Chiefs see better days ahead

xbarretx · 01-11-2009, 10:11 AM

good to have something positive being said about us.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...e.3792d98.html

2-14 Chiefs see better days ahead

Edwards sees reason to be optimistic after getting 70 starts from rookie class

01:26 AM CST on Sunday, January 11, 2009

When coach Herman Edwards looks at his 2008 Kansas City Chiefs, he doesn't see a 2-14 team.

He sees a team with a future.

For six consecutive seasons, the Chiefs were one of the oldest teams in the NFL. But as their players aged, their stock as playoff contenders diminished. The Chiefs slid from a 13-3 team in 2003 to a 4-12 team in 2007.

So the Chiefs made an organizational decision to get younger in 2008. Kansas City drafted a league-high 12 players last April, and Edwards made the commitment to put them on the field

It was painful at times to watch. The Chiefs were steamrolled by Atlanta (38-14), shut out by Carolina (31-0) and crushed by Tennessee (34-10) in the first half of the season.

But by the end of the year, the young Chiefs were competitive. They lost by a point to AFC West champion San Diego in December. Then AFC East champ Miami needed a touchdown in the closing minutes to avert an upset.

The Chiefs kept 11 of their 12 draft picks, and another finished the season on injured reserve. Seven of the draft picks started a staggering 70 games – 26 more than any other team. The average age of their starting lineup dropped from 28.9 years in 2007 to 25.2 in 2008.

Four of the picks – first-rounders Glenn Dorsey (defensive tackle) and Branden Albert (offensive tackle), second-rounder Brandon Flowers (cornerback) and fifth-rounder Brandon Carr (cornerback) – became season-long starters.

AP
Rookie Brandon Flowers became a season-long starter at cornerback for Kansas City.
View larger More photos Photo store "Something good is going to come out of all this," Edwards said. "I know that, and I think the players know that, too."

Here's a team-by-team review of the 2008 draft based on rookie productivity, plus updated grades from The Dallas Morning News based on first-year achievement. The number of rookie starts and starters weighed heavily in the grading process.
*then theres lots of charts after the article comparing them to the rest of the nfl and such.*

**The Bad Guy** · 01-11-2009, 10:12 AM

I don't want to read any article that mentions Herman Edwards still as the Chiefs coach.

xbarretx · 01-11-2009, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

I don't want to read any article that mentions Herman Edwards still as the Chiefs coach.

well i kinda glazed over that part my friend

i posted this b/c eventhough peeps want to complain out last years draft we do have a foundation to build upon....one that wont include Herm.

NaptownChief · 01-11-2009, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

I don't want to read any article that mentions Herman Edwards still as the Chiefs coach.

I honestly can't remember for certain but by chance was it you that got really pissed at me because I wouldn't stop bashing the Herm hire? Seems like you and I agreed on most things over the years but you got mad because I kept saying he was a horrible hire and that you don't trade draft picks for coaches that just went 4-12.

It honestly could have been somebody else as I can't remember for certain as it has been several years and a lot of cold beers ago.

**The Bad Guy** · 01-11-2009, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by NaptownChief

I honestly can't remember for certain but by chance was it you that got really pissed at me because I wouldn't stop bashing the Herm hire? Seems like you and I agreed on most things over the years but you got mad because I kept saying he was a horrible hire and that you don't trade draft picks for coaches that just went 4-12.

It honestly could have been somebody else as I can't remember for certain as it has been several years and a lot of cold beers ago.

I didn't get really mad about it, but yes that was me.

I was a ****ing moron about Herm.

Please accept my apologies Joe.

Reerun_KC · 01-11-2009, 10:20 AM

Why does Herm have a job?

This is getting patheticly embarrasing as a Chiefs fan...

Reerun_KC · 01-11-2009, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

I didn't get really mad about it, but yes that was me.

I was a ****ing moron about Herm.

Please accept my apologies Joe.

Ah the good ol days!

We had some great scrums over that....

**The Bad Guy** · 01-11-2009, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Ah the good ol days!

We had some great scrums over that....

I'm a better person for admitting what a vile piece of shit Herman Edwards is as a head coach.

NaptownChief · 01-11-2009, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

I didn't get really mad about it, but yes that was me.

I was a ****ing moron about Herm.

Please accept my apologies Joe.

Apologies accepted.

I just hope like hell the new GM fires him and quick. I still follow the Chiefs a good bit in the box scores and started watching some games again once Thigpen was under center but I decided after the Herm hire that I was done until Peterson and Herm were both gone. Hopefully that time has finally come.

I would love to have a reason to be passionate about Chiefs football again. After about 20 years of passion I just ran out knowing that nothing good was ever going to come from a GM as poor as Peterson and a coach as poor as Edwards. Only so many wood shed beatings a man can take and I hit my threshold with Peterson's last "hired a buddy who will not challenge me" program.

Coogs · 01-11-2009, 10:29 AM

Ummmmm... Ya think!?!?

NaptownChief · 01-11-2009, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

Ummmmm... Ya think!?!?

Technically it could get worse. The Lions proved that it actually could get 2 games worse. Prior to this year it looked like it could only get one game worse but that is the case no longer.

xbarretx · 01-11-2009, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by NaptownChief

Technically it could get worse. The Lions proved that it actually could get 2 games worse. Prior to this year it looked like it could only get one game worse but that is the case no longer.

that goodness Herm doesnt use the internet....you dont want to give him any ideas

**BossChief** · 01-11-2009, 11:00 AM

Alan Faneca
Willie Anderson
Jon Vilma
Jason Taylor/Javon Kearse
Chad Pennington

All players CP/Herm passed on to build a team from the ground up, the way champions are built!

If we would have signed those guys it would have been worth at least a 8 point swing and that would have garnered us 10 wins adn no talk about firing herm would be running rampant.

Instead he took the high road and chose to give the experience to the young guys and take his lumps now

Back in the day when Tom Landry coached, he went through a similar situation with youth and went 1-13, he was "rewarded" with a ten year contract and won three superbowls with that team he drafted and developed!

Tom Coughlin was going to be fired before his run of what can turn out to be multiple superbowls

Dick Vermiel was looked at as a coach that the game had passed by until he won the superbowl after following a 3-13 season

Jeff Fisher was almost ran out of town because of his rebuild

Jimmy Johnson was being touted as another college coach bust in the NFL after a 1-15 season prior to his 8-8 and then superbowl year with all kids he drafted or got at a very young age and the remainder of the roster he tool from rivals (haley, Deion, etc..)

I could go on for hours about coaches ALL OF YOU WOULD HAVE FIRED PREMATURLY!

Get a grip, Clark is going to do the right thing whether it be to keep Herm, or to let him move on.

It sure wouldnt be fair to Herm to release him after the period where coaches are being hired...shit, Eric Mangini already has a job.....

Coogs · 01-11-2009, 11:18 AM

Personally I think an entire house cleaning is in order. However, if the decision is made to keep Herm, I hope at the very least Gun and Krumrine are shown the door. If that requires an extention in herms contract to lure in good candidates, then give him an extention. Then if things don't improve next season, then still let him walk.

But if they do keep Herm.... gun and Krumrine must go. Otherwise it may not be brighter days ahead for at least another season.

DJJasonp · 01-11-2009, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Alan Faneca
Willie Anderson
Jon Vilma
Jason Taylor/Javon Kearse
Chad Pennington

All players CP/Herm passed on to build a team from the ground up, the way champions are built!

If we would have signed those guys it would have been worth at least a 8 point swing and that would have garnered us 10 wins adn no talk about firing herm would be running rampant.

Instead he took the high road and chose to give the experience to the young guys and take his lumps now

Back in the day when Tom Landry coached, he went through a similar situation with youth and went 1-13, he was "rewarded" with a ten year contract and won three superbowls with that team he drafted and developed!

Tom Coughlin was going to be fired before his run of what can turn out to be multiple superbowls

Dick Vermiel was looked at as a coach that the game had passed by until he won the superbowl after following a 3-13 season

Jeff Fisher was almost ran out of town because of his rebuild

Jimmy Johnson was being touted as another college coach bust in the NFL after a 1-15 season prior to his 8-8 and then superbowl year with all kids he drafted or got at a very young age and the remainder of the roster he tool from rivals (haley, Deion, etc..)

I could go on for hours about coaches ALL OF YOU WOULD HAVE FIRED PREMATURLY!

Get a grip, Clark is going to do the right thing whether it be to keep Herm, or to let him move on.

It sure wouldnt be fair to Herm to release him after the period where coaches are being hired...shit, Eric Mangini already has a job.....

I'll give you props for coming strong as a n00b.....but you're gonna get flamed for this!

01-11-2009, 10:11 AM
xbarretx The Freeze! Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Prosper, TX (DFW) Casino cash: $9815000	2-14 Chiefs see better days ahead good to have something positive being said about us. http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...e.3792d98.html 2-14 Chiefs see better days ahead Edwards sees reason to be optimistic after getting 70 starts from rookie class 01:26 AM CST on Sunday, January 11, 2009 When coach Herman Edwards looks at his 2008 Kansas City Chiefs, he doesn't see a 2-14 team. He sees a team with a future. For six consecutive seasons, the Chiefs were one of the oldest teams in the NFL. But as their players aged, their stock as playoff contenders diminished. The Chiefs slid from a 13-3 team in 2003 to a 4-12 team in 2007. So the Chiefs made an organizational decision to get younger in 2008. Kansas City drafted a league-high 12 players last April, and Edwards made the commitment to put them on the field It was painful at times to watch. The Chiefs were steamrolled by Atlanta (38-14), shut out by Carolina (31-0) and crushed by Tennessee (34-10) in the first half of the season. But by the end of the year, the young Chiefs were competitive. They lost by a point to AFC West champion San Diego in December. Then AFC East champ Miami needed a touchdown in the closing minutes to avert an upset. The Chiefs kept 11 of their 12 draft picks, and another finished the season on injured reserve. Seven of the draft picks started a staggering 70 games – 26 more than any other team. The average age of their starting lineup dropped from 28.9 years in 2007 to 25.2 in 2008. Four of the picks – first-rounders Glenn Dorsey (defensive tackle) and Branden Albert (offensive tackle), second-rounder Brandon Flowers (cornerback) and fifth-rounder Brandon Carr (cornerback) – became season-long starters. AP Rookie Brandon Flowers became a season-long starter at cornerback for Kansas City. View larger More photos Photo store "Something good is going to come out of all this," Edwards said. "I know that, and I think the players know that, too." Here's a team-by-team review of the 2008 draft based on rookie productivity, plus updated grades from The Dallas Morning News based on first-year achievement. The number of rookie starts and starters weighed heavily in the grading process. then theres lots of charts after the article comparing them to the rest of the nfl and such.
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BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $1954088	Alan Faneca Willie Anderson Jon Vilma Jason Taylor/Javon Kearse Chad Pennington All players CP/Herm passed on to build a team from the ground up, the way champions are built! If we would have signed those guys it would have been worth at least a 8 point swing and that would have garnered us 10 wins adn no talk about firing herm would be running rampant. Instead he took the high road and chose to give the experience to the young guys and take his lumps now Back in the day when Tom Landry coached, he went through a similar situation with youth and went 1-13, he was "rewarded" with a ten year contract and won three superbowls with that team he drafted and developed! Tom Coughlin was going to be fired before his run of what can turn out to be multiple superbowls Dick Vermiel was looked at as a coach that the game had passed by until he won the superbowl after following a 3-13 season Jeff Fisher was almost ran out of town because of his rebuild Jimmy Johnson was being touted as another college coach bust in the NFL after a 1-15 season prior to his 8-8 and then superbowl year with all kids he drafted or got at a very young age and the remainder of the roster he tool from rivals (haley, Deion, etc..) I could go on for hours about coaches ALL OF YOU WOULD HAVE FIRED PREMATURLY! Get a grip, Clark is going to do the right thing whether it be to keep Herm, or to let him move on. It sure wouldnt be fair to Herm to release him after the period where coaches are being hired...shit, Eric Mangini already has a job.....
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01-11-2009, 11:18 AM	#14
Coogs In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Northern Kansas Casino cash: $1694349	Personally I think an entire house cleaning is in order. However, if the decision is made to keep Herm, I hope at the very least Gun and Krumrine are shown the door. If that requires an extention in herms contract to lure in good candidates, then give him an extention. Then if things don't improve next season, then still let him walk. But if they do keep Herm.... gun and Krumrine must go. Otherwise it may not be brighter days ahead for at least another season.
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