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Old 04-27-2005, 01:06 PM  
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Congressman: NFL's Steroids Policy 'Not Perfect'; Bill Coming Soon

And the micromanagement of all sports by our government grows. What a crock of shit. They are getting ready to pass a bill in California that will impliment mandatory steroid testing for all high school students in sports.


Congressman: NFL's Steroids Policy 'Not Perfect'; Bill Coming Soon
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By HOWARD FENDRICH
WASHINGTON (AP) - The NFL's steroids policy is tough, "but it's not perfect," the head of a congressional committee said Wednesday, adding that he plans to introduce a bill governing drug testing across the spectrum of U.S. sports.

Rep. Tom Davis opened the House Government Reform Committee's second hearing on steroids by saying the NFL had been more cooperative than Major League Baseball was when its drug program was examined publicly by the panel last month.

But saying that all sports leagues must "acknowledge that their testing programs need improvement," the Virginia Republican added that he and ranking Democrat Henry Waxman of California, along with Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., are working on legislation to create uniform policies for major sports.

Such an effort would face obstacles in Congress, which has been reluctant to legislate professional sports policy over the years.

In prepared testimony submitted to the committee, NFL commissioner Paul Tagliabue and NFL Players Association chief executive Gene Upshaw said the league is tripling from two to six the number of random offseason tests that players can face.


They also said the league and union recently agreed to add new substances to the list of banned performance enhancers; to put in writing previously agreed-to policies to test for designer steroids; and to lower the testosterone ratio threshold.

"There are numerous issues on which management and labor disagree. ... But there is complete agreement on this: Steroids and other performance-enhancing substances have no place in our game, or anywhere in sports," Upshaw said.

He and Tagliabue sat next to each other and each occasionally jotted notes while some lawmakers criticized the NFL's penalties as too lenient and raised questions about whether amphetamines should be banned.

"Some people might think that this is a fairly weak policy," said Rep. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt.

While boosting strength, steroids can lead to heart attacks, strokes, cancer, sterility and mood swings; using most steroids without a doctor's prescription for medical purposes has been illegal since 1991.

The NFL began testing in 1987, added suspensions in 1989, and instituted year-round random testing in 1990. Fifty-four players have been suspended.

"The percentage of NFL players who test positive for steroids is very low," Waxman said. "Is this because the policy is working or is this because players have figured out how to avoid detection?"

Tagliabue and Upshaw were among 10 witnesses scheduled to appear, including two doctors who supervise the NFL's testing, and two high school football coaches, one of whom suspended 10 of his players for using steroids.

Gary Wadler, a member of the World Anti-Doping Agency that oversees Olympic drug testing and penalties, knocked the NFL policy for leaving out amphetamines, and he urged the league to adopt blood testing to detect Human Growth Hormone.

In contrast to the March 17 baseball hearing, when several active or retired stars were subpoenaed to testify to much fanfare, only one former player was invited Wednesday: Steve Courson, an offensive lineman for the Pittsburgh Steelers and Tampa Bay Buccaneers from 1978-85. He has admitted using steroids and blames that for a heart condition.

Courson delivered his statement to dozens of empty chairs: Only one member of the committee was present, because others left for a floor vote. Later, when asked by Waxman what percentage of pro football players use steroids today, Courson said: "That would be very hard for me to determine. I've been out of the game for 20 years."

Baseball banned steroids in September 2002 and instituted mandatory 10-day suspensions this season. The National Hockey League does not test players for performance-enhancing drugs, while first-time offenders are suspended for five games in the National Basketball Association.

In the NFL, a first positive test draws a four-game ban - a quarter of the season - and a second gets a six-game suspension. Only two players failed tests twice, and they both retired.

"It's a policy with tough penalties that's getting tougher all the time. But it's not perfect, and that's one of the reasons we're here today," Davis said. "The NFL's testing program has come under heightened scrutiny in recent weeks."

He mentioned a CBS report that a South Carolina doctor wrote steroid prescriptions for three Carolina Panthers in 2003.
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Old 04-28-2005, 11:42 AM   #31
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Old 04-28-2005, 11:53 AM   #32
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on a line left being anarchy right being total police state.
We are much closer to the right than is comfortable.
pork barrel politics are puting a strangle hold on freedom.
Can anyone here say we are more free than in our grandfathers time?

both sides are ****ed.fight fire w/ fire. Your vote means shit when both sides are only interested in the money they can make from special intrest and tax payers.
**** em!
Couldn't have said it better, but, do we eliminate ALL government as a response?
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Old 04-28-2005, 11:55 AM   #33
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I tend to try and follow the powers the govt has outlined in the little-read and oft-ignored document called "The Constitution". You may have heard of it if you didn't go to a public school.

http://www.sobran.com/tyranny.shtml
I went to College, but it was filled with Marxists and Socialists. It wasn't until after I left college that I realized a truer state of existence than the propeller heads were pontificating.
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Old 04-28-2005, 11:57 AM   #34
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I Myself am not one, but my Father, Uncle, were, and my cousin is. Served 2 tours of Duty in Iraq. I am pround of all who serve, but especially these mentioned.
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Old 04-28-2005, 12:00 PM   #35
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So police state or wild wild west huh, OK.
All due respect man, I like you. You are one of the coolest posters here. I was just trying to see where you draw the line, or if there is a line in your "moral compass".

Its not either or. I like the "government that governs best governs least" Philosophy, but I didn't say NO government at all, they have a function in our society. Many of the blessings of liberty come from having a respected and viable police force.

Your sister is in law enforcement? I don't get it dude?
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Let me address the all-to-common "you want anarchy" theory. You've just fallen into the trap of not analyzing the evidence carefully enough and taking someone else's argument at face value. (Most) Libertarians have no interest in anarchy. Yes, I want the feds trimmed to their original 18 powers. What does that mean, who is going to fill in the gaps? THE STATES.

The word "State" meant "Country" at the time of the Constitution's writing. We were meant to be 50 COUNTRIES with common defense, banking, foreign relations, transit, etc. We were meant to have a common set of rights from one of the 50 countries to another (The Bill of Rights). We were never supposed to be one huge damn country.

The 17th Amendment (direct election of Senators) was the final nail in that coffin. The govt. educating you made sure you didn't understand it was overreaching. Then they took the Senate, the last way for the States to exert their own rights, and put that in the hands of the dumbed-down masses. It has worked out for them brilliantly.
I didn't fall into any trap, you supplied where your line is, I was trying to get the same out of big D, I failed miserably.

I merely offered the Anarchy as an extreme, as in, just wondering where the line is.
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I have to go on the road, and will be away from the computer for a couple of hours, not dogging any of you. bye
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Old 04-28-2005, 12:03 PM   #38
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Couldn't have said it better, but, do we eliminate ALL government as a response?
Come on your giving ridiculous answers as alternatives. We definately need a smaller government. Refusing to vote for anyone in either of the 2 big parties and becoming a Libertarian is a good start. Pointing out how big and controlling our government has become to others is another. I am Libertarian but I need to start doing more work for the party, that will be my next step.
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Old 04-28-2005, 12:05 PM   #39
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Couldn't have said it better, but, do we eliminate ALL government as a response?
No. But some real limitations on where our tax money goes and hows its spent and how much special intrest has a say(per a donation cap) would be a good start.
You dont make REAL money in politics from your salary.Who T F in there right mind would wanna be president for any reason other than GOBS of cash.
Are these the best canidates or the best who will run?


leting the states take control of there own problems w/out the federal govt. telling them that if you dont you'll loose this funding even if its not right for that state.
the flat law for all states from the federal govt is bullshit.
(i dont have a solution)


HOLDING ELECTED OFFICIALS TO WHAT THEY SAY THEY WILL DO AND NOT DO>NOT JUST WHAT DIRECTION THE WIND TAKES THERE VALUES.
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Old 04-28-2005, 12:07 PM   #40
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I Myself am not one, but my Father, Uncle, were, and my cousin is. Served 2 tours of Duty in Iraq. I am pround of all who serve, but especially these mentioned.
Just wondering cause your POV reminds me of my dad who was a Vet,and had witnessed anarchy first hand.
had a hard stance for more govt.......though i think he kinda got lost in his own rhetoric sometimes.None the less he took a hard stance.
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Old 04-28-2005, 12:09 PM   #41
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All due respect man, I like you. You are one of the coolest posters here. I was just trying to see where you draw the line, or if there is a line in your "moral compass".

Its not either or. I like the "government that governs best governs least" Philosophy, but I didn't say NO government at all, they have a function in our society. Many of the blessings of liberty come from having a respected and viable police force.

Your sister is in law enforcement? I don't get it dude?
Yes my sister is in law enforcement and we certainly don't see eye to eye on all issues. I have to say the longer she has been in law enforcement though the more I see her begin to side with me on some issues like this ridiculous war on drugs with the exception of meth. She will be the first to tell you the government has become WAY too big as well. She will always be more conservative than me though.
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Yes my sister is in law enforcement and we certainly don't see eye to eye on all issues.
Fear not BD im trying to get on at County.

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