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Chiefsplanet’s (Proposed) 2017 Season Title: One Last Ride

Midish-Season Update (Royals 51-47, 2nd Wild Card, 1.5 GB of ALC):

We're halfway through 2017, and fittingly to the Chiefsplanet's 2017 Season Title, the Royals are all-in on what will likely be one final run with the current core. While many are worried the Royals will take a 2004 style tumble after this year, the farm system is hardly the barren wasteland it was during the Baird years. To see what's in the pipeline and what we have to look forward to, check out this exceptional list and analysis that Duncan put together of our system.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...htmlview#gid=0

While I had the honor of starting this thread this year, Duncan will always have a VIP pass to this OP, and can add more content at any time.

2017's Burning Questions Revisited:

1. What is the threshold between being “buyers” and “sellers” at the deadline?

We're buyers, baby.

In April, I argued that it would be a wise strategy for us to sell if we were 5 GB or worse, but that Dayton would likely add supplemental pieces for us to load up for another run if we were 1-2 GB. On July 24th, the Royals found themselves in sole possession of the 2nd wild card spot and 1.5 games back of the division. In April I said the Royals might pull the trigger on someone like Alex Cobb and resign Luke Hochevar, but since the Rays are also buyers and Luke's shoulder hasn't rebounded, this prediction hasn't come to fruition. Luckily, Dayton Moore again proved much more adept and creative than me by adding Trevor Cahill (good call, Duncan), Brandon Maurer and Ryan Buchter in a single trade. Giving us a solid starter to compete in 2017, and two relievers whom we will control through 2019 and 2021, respectively, keeping Moore's new vision through 2019-2020 intact. Moore has hinted that the Royals will continue to pursue the right deals if they're there, so the fun may not be over just yet. While we may not have the bullets to pull in a "star" like Cueto or Zo, Moore's adeptness may yet again net us what we need for another run in October.

2. Can Gordo and Moose bounce back to 2015 levels?

In April I asked if Gordo could at least set the table at a 265/325/425 clip and if Moose could deliver damage around a 265/335/500 clip for an entire year. This season Mr. Moustakas has been the prospect that was promised, delivering at a 277/307/568 clip as of this update. Gordo, on the other hand, has put up an unbelievably abysmal line thus far. But, if there is a silver lining, it's that Gordo has performed at a 246/311/432 line since June 1st, and if he can continue to perform near that mark, he will be more than a valuable asset at the bottom of the lineup while he continues to provide the best LF defense in the league.

3. Can Ned Yost manage a bullpen?

In April, I felt that despite the poor start, Royals bullpen would ultimately be "solid" this year, but the question was whether "solid" was good enough for Ned. I argued that the Royals needed Soria to bounce back and that Ned would need to start being strategic in his L/L and R/R matchups. While Ned has still made at times baffling and frustrating decisions with his starters (such as allowing Travis Wood to try to "get the win" and still insisting on sending Hammel out for the 6th, he's mostly done a good job).

MASH: Minor/Moylan - Alexander - Soria - Herrera (Credit to C3HIEF3S for the origins of the phrase) have cemented into reliable pieces, and now that Herrera is showing signs of stabilizing, our dumping of Wood, our call up Flynn, and the acquisition of Buchter and Maurer, the Royals have the potential to enter October with one of the best and deepest bullpens in the postseason.

4. Will the Royals find a boost from an unexpected X-Factor to lift them to contention?

Cool-Whit, Boni, Mike ****ing Minor, and Alexander have come up huge thus far. Cool Whit is, incredibly, is second on the team in WAR and has more than replaced Zo's presence on the team. They, like the X-Factors on the 2014-2015 teams, have been critical cogs as we've raced back to contention, while Cool-Whit and Boni also have provided a rosier outlook for this team's future. It's worth noting that Salvador Perez and Jason Vargas has been beasts on offense and the mound (along with Sal providing his customary defensive excellence), but I am still a bit wary of Salvy's annual Yost assisted offensive drought as the team moves into August, along with Vargy regressing to his averages.

5. Can Jorge Soler and Brandon Moss be productive contributors in Kauffman’s dimensions?

Ouch, no, but the Royals shift to power-hitting in the juiced ball era looks like one that will pay off. Thankfully, Moss is showing signs of entering his seasonal hot streak where he becomes corn-fed Jesus for a month, and we'll need him hot to keep up with Cleveland down the stretch. While Jorge has been painful to watch in the majors, his scorching performance in AAA should give one a bright hope for the future. While some may disagree, I offer Moose, Hos, Gordo, and Duffy's struggles as exhibit A for why it is far too early to give up on Soler's potential.

Bonus Question - Is Raul Mondesi truly ready to be an everyday player?

Ha! Not even close. However, like Soler, his progress in AAA is incredibly encouraging. With ceilings like Lindor and floors being Esky being thrown out there, it's hard not to be excited about his future.

The Picture Forward

There are many reasons to be excited, and not only for 2017. The Royals emergence of Cool Whit, Bonifacio, and Scott Alexander, and the fact that we have pieces like Salvador Perez, Danny Duffy, Kelvin Herrera, Jorge Soler, Ryan Buchter, Brandon Maurer Cheslor Cuthbert, and Raul Mondesi until at least 2019 should leave one feeling pretty optimistic. Re-up Moose or Hos (and heck, re-sign Dyson while we're at it), and suddenly this team looks very much like one that could compete for the indefinite future.

The Royals are all in again, buckle in and enjoy the ride.

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Old 05-19-2017, 05:56 PM   #1186
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LOL. It's the middle of May, man. Slow down.
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Old 05-19-2017, 07:28 PM   #1187
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LOL. It's the middle of May, man. Slow down.
It's only April! It's only may! In 2 weeks it'll be June and let me guess it's only June! With a team who has a bunch of expiring contracts and no real shot of winning the title how long should we just wait!
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Old 05-19-2017, 07:34 PM   #1188
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It's only April! It's only may! In 2 weeks it'll be June and let me guess it's only June! With a team who has a bunch of expiring contracts and no real shot of winning the title how long should we just wait!
Listen here dipshit. You can sell them at any time before the deadline. Other teams aren't even desperate yet. There is no hurt in waiting and this can generally net you a better haul as injuries for other teams start to mount. You can't sell what no one on the market is currently making offers for.
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Old 05-19-2017, 07:35 PM   #1189
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So if every guy set to depart via free agency does sign elsewhere, the Royals only get a draft pick for the most expensive guy signed away?

Because I don't see a lot of difference for trading off guys and getting subpar value out of them because of X, Y, or Z reasons pertaining to Hosmer, Cain or Moose due to KC having no leverage at this point of time and letting them walk and getting some sort of pick compensation.

Trade or no trade, either decision signals the Royals being a non-competitor for at least half a decade if not for longer.
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Listen here dipshit. You can sell them at any time before the deadline. Other teams aren't even desperate yet. There is no hurt in waiting and this can generally net you a better haul as injuries for other teams start to mount. You can't sell what no one on the market is currently making offers for.
Their run is over lil Chiefy. Duncan laid it out perfectly.
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Their run is over lil Chiefy. Duncan laid it out perfectly.
No shit.

Still has no bearing on them needing to win "2 of 3" or getting them traded in the next two weeks. Are you this stupid in real life?
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So if every guy set to depart via free agency does sign elsewhere, the Royals only get a draft pick for the most expensive guy signed away?

Because I don't see a lot of difference for trading off guys and getting subpar value out of them because of X, Y, or Z reasons pertaining to Hosmer, Cain or Moose due to KC having no leverage at this point of time and letting them walk and getting some sort of pick compensation.

Trade or no trade, either decision signals the Royals being a non-competitor for at least half a decade if not for longer.

That's not quite the way it works. If you make a qualifying offer to a player who departs as a free agent, you get a compensation pick in the following draft if that player signs a contract for $50 million or more.

Rebuilding a small market is hard, but if KC DOES end up selling this year (which I would expect to begin really happening in June), it can inject enough talent to shorten that rebuild window from 5-6 years to 2-4 years.

There are useful pieces here. Duffy, Karns, and Kennedy are 3/5 of a strong rotation (though Karns is more of a 3/4 in that rotation and you'd like Kennedy to be your fourth or fifth best guy as he ages, if he doesn't opt out).

Strahm could be a useful rotation piece or strong back-end relief arm.

Perez and Soler and Bonifacio and Cuthbert offer promise offensively.

Soler hasn't hit much yet and his defense really needs to improve, but I think the way he approaches his at-bats is a very positive sign. He works counts well and doesn't chase much. That plate discipline combined with his power has major upside.

Land a decent haul for Cain, Herrera, Moustakas, Hosmer, Minor, and Vargas... and the rebuild can be shorter than anticipated.




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I also can't say this enough, in general: Even though there's parity in baseball, being a good team at a small market level is still a big challenge to pull off consistently.

That the Royals were able to do it over a 3-5 year window and also cash it in for a World Series title and an AL pennant is pretty good return on that.

The Twins, Rays, A's (who really should not be a small market but operate like one), Pirates, Brewers all feel that pain.


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Is there nobody in AAA who come in and help out this awful bullpen? I have a hard time believing Chris Young, Travis Wood, Peter Moylan, and Al Alburquerque are the best this organization has to offer.
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Old 05-20-2017, 08:00 AM   #1198
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You don't think they can make up 4.5 games with 122 games left? Do I really need to work out that math for you?
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I also can't say this enough, in general: Even though there's parity in baseball, being a good team at a small market level is still a big challenge to pull off consistently.

That the Royals were able to do it over a 3-5 year window and also cash it in for a World Series title and an AL pennant is pretty good return on that.

The Twins, Rays, A's (who really should not be a small market but operate like one), Pirates, Brewers all feel that pain.


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Yep. I keep reminding myself how fortunate we are, that we could've been the Pirates, whose revival coincided with ours. Three straight postseason appearances would've been a major accomplishment for this franchise given its previous two decades. Yet, we got two pennants and a World Series, while the Pirates got squat. Or the 2014 Royals could've been the 2007 Rockies, a flash in the pan.

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Is there nobody in AAA who come in and help out this awful bullpen? I have a hard time believing Chris Young, Travis Wood, Peter Moylan, and Al Alburquerque are the best this organization has to offer.


I think Junis could help in the pen. Staining likely could as well, though they are still hoping to make him a starter (his walks have spiked again this year, just doesn't seem likely).


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