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Chiefsplanet’s (Proposed) 2017 Season Title: One Last Ride

Midish-Season Update (Royals 51-47, 2nd Wild Card, 1.5 GB of ALC):

We're halfway through 2017, and fittingly to the Chiefsplanet's 2017 Season Title, the Royals are all-in on what will likely be one final run with the current core. While many are worried the Royals will take a 2004 style tumble after this year, the farm system is hardly the barren wasteland it was during the Baird years. To see what's in the pipeline and what we have to look forward to, check out this exceptional list and analysis that Duncan put together of our system.

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While I had the honor of starting this thread this year, Duncan will always have a VIP pass to this OP, and can add more content at any time.

2017's Burning Questions Revisited:

1. What is the threshold between being “buyers” and “sellers” at the deadline?

We're buyers, baby.

In April, I argued that it would be a wise strategy for us to sell if we were 5 GB or worse, but that Dayton would likely add supplemental pieces for us to load up for another run if we were 1-2 GB. On July 24th, the Royals found themselves in sole possession of the 2nd wild card spot and 1.5 games back of the division. In April I said the Royals might pull the trigger on someone like Alex Cobb and resign Luke Hochevar, but since the Rays are also buyers and Luke's shoulder hasn't rebounded, this prediction hasn't come to fruition. Luckily, Dayton Moore again proved much more adept and creative than me by adding Trevor Cahill (good call, Duncan), Brandon Maurer and Ryan Buchter in a single trade. Giving us a solid starter to compete in 2017, and two relievers whom we will control through 2019 and 2021, respectively, keeping Moore's new vision through 2019-2020 intact. Moore has hinted that the Royals will continue to pursue the right deals if they're there, so the fun may not be over just yet. While we may not have the bullets to pull in a "star" like Cueto or Zo, Moore's adeptness may yet again net us what we need for another run in October.

2. Can Gordo and Moose bounce back to 2015 levels?

In April I asked if Gordo could at least set the table at a 265/325/425 clip and if Moose could deliver damage around a 265/335/500 clip for an entire year. This season Mr. Moustakas has been the prospect that was promised, delivering at a 277/307/568 clip as of this update. Gordo, on the other hand, has put up an unbelievably abysmal line thus far. But, if there is a silver lining, it's that Gordo has performed at a 246/311/432 line since June 1st, and if he can continue to perform near that mark, he will be more than a valuable asset at the bottom of the lineup while he continues to provide the best LF defense in the league.

3. Can Ned Yost manage a bullpen?

In April, I felt that despite the poor start, Royals bullpen would ultimately be "solid" this year, but the question was whether "solid" was good enough for Ned. I argued that the Royals needed Soria to bounce back and that Ned would need to start being strategic in his L/L and R/R matchups. While Ned has still made at times baffling and frustrating decisions with his starters (such as allowing Travis Wood to try to "get the win" and still insisting on sending Hammel out for the 6th, he's mostly done a good job).

MASH: Minor/Moylan - Alexander - Soria - Herrera (Credit to C3HIEF3S for the origins of the phrase) have cemented into reliable pieces, and now that Herrera is showing signs of stabilizing, our dumping of Wood, our call up Flynn, and the acquisition of Buchter and Maurer, the Royals have the potential to enter October with one of the best and deepest bullpens in the postseason.

4. Will the Royals find a boost from an unexpected X-Factor to lift them to contention?

Cool-Whit, Boni, Mike ****ing Minor, and Alexander have come up huge thus far. Cool Whit is, incredibly, is second on the team in WAR and has more than replaced Zo's presence on the team. They, like the X-Factors on the 2014-2015 teams, have been critical cogs as we've raced back to contention, while Cool-Whit and Boni also have provided a rosier outlook for this team's future. It's worth noting that Salvador Perez and Jason Vargas has been beasts on offense and the mound (along with Sal providing his customary defensive excellence), but I am still a bit wary of Salvy's annual Yost assisted offensive drought as the team moves into August, along with Vargy regressing to his averages.

5. Can Jorge Soler and Brandon Moss be productive contributors in Kauffman’s dimensions?

Ouch, no, but the Royals shift to power-hitting in the juiced ball era looks like one that will pay off. Thankfully, Moss is showing signs of entering his seasonal hot streak where he becomes corn-fed Jesus for a month, and we'll need him hot to keep up with Cleveland down the stretch. While Jorge has been painful to watch in the majors, his scorching performance in AAA should give one a bright hope for the future. While some may disagree, I offer Moose, Hos, Gordo, and Duffy's struggles as exhibit A for why it is far too early to give up on Soler's potential.

Bonus Question - Is Raul Mondesi truly ready to be an everyday player?

Ha! Not even close. However, like Soler, his progress in AAA is incredibly encouraging. With ceilings like Lindor and floors being Esky being thrown out there, it's hard not to be excited about his future.

The Picture Forward

There are many reasons to be excited, and not only for 2017. The Royals emergence of Cool Whit, Bonifacio, and Scott Alexander, and the fact that we have pieces like Salvador Perez, Danny Duffy, Kelvin Herrera, Jorge Soler, Ryan Buchter, Brandon Maurer Cheslor Cuthbert, and Raul Mondesi until at least 2019 should leave one feeling pretty optimistic. Re-up Moose or Hos (and heck, re-sign Dyson while we're at it), and suddenly this team looks very much like one that could compete for the indefinite future.

The Royals are all in again, buckle in and enjoy the ride.

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Old 04-05-2017, 07:51 PM   #16
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Old 04-05-2017, 07:55 PM   #17
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I remember one CP post from that time:

"There goes my boner for the Royals"
-someone on CP after the Royals' devastating 0-2 start of 2014.

If only that boner lived to see the rest of that season, man.
For kicks, I found the Royals-Twins 2014 thread after Wade Davis' error cost us the game. Being swept by the Twins dropped us to 4-7, and Chiefsplanet was a bit salty.


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First of all, I know I'm overreacting, and you all can get the **** over it. I don't get how one ****ing team can be so bad for so long. I mean a 28 year playoff drought going on 29 years... It's amazing this team still has fans. ****, I have been a lifelong fan and the last time they were in the playoffs, I was an infant. **** this team. MLB should intervene for the good of the game.
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Even the experts said our 2014 bullpen was in major trouble:

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@JeffPassan: The Royals' bullpen throws about as well from 10 feet as it does from 60 feet, 6 inches.

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I'm all for going all in behind Marty. Let's do what we can to put a fire under Glass.
This overall thread makes for some pretty cathartic reading. Our post-World Series meltdowns look like Fisher Price compared to this one. It's a long season, this year could still go in so many ways.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=282971
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Old 04-05-2017, 09:48 PM   #18
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I was there for the cold disappointment of opening day in MN...here's to hoping that:

-Mondesi's spring was more than a fluke
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-Gordon returns to form
-The bullpen rallies and doesn't remind us of how spoiled we've been
-Soler comes back from injury and proves his potential
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-Our "depth" is more than AAAA
-Brayan Peña finds more mantises
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For kicks, I found the Royals-Twins 2014 thread after Wade Davis' error cost us the game. Being swept by the Twins dropped us to 4-7, and Chiefsplanet was a bit salty.














Even the experts said our 2014 bullpen was in major trouble:





Then check out with this dumbass said three months later.



This overall thread makes for some pretty cathartic reading. Our post-World Series meltdowns look like Fisher Price compared to this one. It's a long season, this year could still go in so many ways.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=282971
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Old 04-05-2017, 11:37 PM   #20
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Only 2 games in and many are giving up. It's only 1 quarter through a football game and we fumbled twice. But this team has the ability to win.
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Only 2 games in and many are giving up. It's only 1 quarter through a football game and we fumbled twice. But this team has the ability to win.
Let's put it this way, if the start of this Royals season is a Chiefs game, game 1/162 being the start of a 60 minute game, we are about 44.4 seconds into the football game. Let's say the Chiefs, in this scenario, down the kick in the endzone for a touchback and are starting on the 25 yard line with 60 minutes of the game left to play. The Royals losing the first two games of the season is the equivalent of Alex Smith handing the ball off to Ware and him getting tackled for a ~0.926 yard loss.

Right now at this very point of the Royals season, it's 2nd and 11 at our own 24 yard line.

Now if the Royals were to win tomorrow, it would **** this entire model up as it is based under the assumption that reaching the endzone is a perfect 162-0 season and them being winless right now simplifies this scenario. But for right now at this exact second, it's all I got. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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I've decided to spoiler tag the 2011 prelude after the Royals first win this season.

I will have the five burning questions and analysis uploaded to the OP by Friday. Here's a sneak peak.

2017's Burning Questions

1. What is the threshold between being “buyers” or “sellers” at the deadline?
(This is an important question. The worst move if we're down 4-5 games again would be holding, imho).

2. Can Gordo and Moose bounce back to 2015 form?

3. Can Ned Yost manage a bullpen?

4. Will the Royals find a boost from an unexpected X-Factor to lift them to contention?

2014 X factors - Wade Davis, Kelvin Herrera, Danny Duffy and "Ace" Ventura
2015 X factors - Chris Young, Ryan Madson, Kendrys "Silver Slugger" Morales

5. Can Jorge Soler and Brandon Moss be productive contributors in Kauffman’s dimensions?

Bonus Question - Is Raul Mondesi truly ready to be an everyday player?
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I've decided to spoiler tag the 2011 prelude after the Royals first win this season.

I will have the five burning questions and analysis uploaded to the OP by Friday. Here's a sneak peak.

2017's Burning Questions

1. What is the threshold between being “buyers” and “sellers” at the deadline?
(This is AN important question. The worst move if we're down 4-5 games again would be holding, imho).

2. Can Gordo and Moose bounce back to 2015 levels?

3. Can Ned Yost manage a bullpen?

4. Will the Royals find a boost from an unexpected X-Factor to lift them to contention?

2014 X factors - Wade Davis, Kelvin Herrera, "Ace" Ventura and Brandon Finnegan.
2015 X factors - Chris Young, Ryan Madson, Kendrys "Silver Slugger" Morales

5. Can Jorge Soler and Brandon Moss be productive contributors in Kauffman’s dimensions?

Bonus Question - Is Raul Mondesi truly ready to be an everyday player?
1. If we're more than 10 games out, you have to sell. I'd even say 7-8 games. As for buyers, that's a tough one, because there isn't a whole lot on the farm to give up to get anyone.

2. Moose can, but Gordon's too old to do much anymore, IMO. He might have a good stretch or two in him, but his best years are over.

3. No.

4. That better be a bullpen guy. Otherwise, it won't matter. Not seeing it at this point.

5. Better question. Can either of them not strike out at a ridiculous rate?

BQ. I haven't seen enough of him because of all the day games and my work schedule, but sure? The Royals have always been weak at second, other than the half-season of Zobrist.
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1. If we're more than 10 games out, you have to sell. I'd even say 7-8 games. As for buyers, that's a tough one, because there isn't a whole lot on the farm to give up to get anyone.

2. Moose can, but Gordon's too old to do much anymore, IMO. He might have a good stretch or two in him, but his best years are over.

3. No.

4. That better be a bullpen guy. Otherwise, it won't matter. Not seeing it at this point.

5. Better question. Can either of them not strike out at a ridiculous rate?

BQ. I haven't seen enough of him because of all the day games and my work schedule, but sure? The Royals have always been weak at second, other than the half-season of Zobrist.
I'm afraid the Gordon contract was our Kobe moment that is going to haunt us for a while.

I love Gordo - and he will forever be a royal legend for the game 1 bomb off Familia....but smart franchises know when to hold 'em, and when to fold 'em.
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If there is one thing we all know about these guys, especially the hitters, it's that every single ****ing one of them is streaky as ****.

The pitching hopefully warms up and guys settle into their roles. However, this looks to be an average bullpen at best. Starting pitching is going to have to be better than years past.
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