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Old 04-05-2017, 10:55 AM  
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Chiefsplanet’s (Proposed) 2017 Season Title: One Last Ride

2011 Prelude:

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The 2017 season undoubtably begins in shadow of Yordano Ventura’s tragic death in the offseason. David Glass again bucked expectation and fan vitriol to go all in on his budget, and the core, despite the heartstring tugging trades of Davis and Dyson, remains primed for another push to the promised land. Will the Royals make another deep run into October? Or will they conduct the largest deadline sell off in Major League history?

Even with the expectations, predictions and hype spanning back from 2011 - the journey this team embarked on since 2013 was sweeter than anything any of us could have imagined. Even if this team goes on a 2004 styled losing binge this year, all is not lost. As this will push the Royals to conduct a sell off for minor league talent that will reignite the incredible optimism that permeated through this place in 2011. At the end of the day, this team actually did it, they somehow found a way to defy all of the odds that the MLB set against them to take the crown.
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2017's Burning Questions

1. What is the threshold between being “buyers” and “sellers” at the deadline?

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2. Can Gordo and Moose bounce back to 2015 levels?

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3. Can Ned Yost manage a bullpen?

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4. Will the Royals find a boost from an unexpected X-Factor to lift them to contention?

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5. Can Jorge Soler and Brandon Moss be productive contributors in Kauffman’s dimensions?

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Bonus Question - Is Raul Mondesi truly ready to be an everyday player?

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We’re all in again, folks. Buckle in and enjoy the ride.

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Old 06-18-2017, 09:13 PM   #2581
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21. Lorenzo Cain (OF), Mike Moustakas (3B) & Eric Hosmer (1B), Royals (LR: 2; 15, 15): Cain is on a sudden hot streak in the power department while Moose and Hoz have turned it on since our first listing. But the group is falling. This is still quite a nice group of chips, but I’m sliding all the KC players down the list for the same reason: the Royals are on the move of late and the AL Central remains tightly packed, making a “hold” scenario seem increasingly plausible.


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Old 06-18-2017, 09:14 PM   #2582
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I l9ve this team. Im just worried about next year and onward. I was here posting and following the Royals for years before they made it big. Dayton has a tough decision but i still hope we sell to replenish the farm. I understand if he chooses not to though
Dude, your predictions for the staff next year are crazily pessimistic.

Kennedy is really unlikely to opt out at this point. And while he's not a Cy Young guy, he's a very solid major league starter.

Predicting that regression for Duffy doesn't make any sense.

Karns is a lot more proven than you seem to realize. His work as a starting pitcher has been mostly good and he was really locking in under Eiland's direction before the forearm injury. If he avoids a trip to Dr. Andrews with this forearms tightness, there's an incredible amount to be optimistic about. His ERA as a SP this year is under 3.50, and he has averaged more than a strikeout/inning. And in the month of May, he averaged 13 K/9 over four starts with a 2.04 ERA, 0.94 WHIp, and BB/9 under 2.

Hammel could certainly regress and Strahm has a ways to go before we have a good idea what he is, but this doom and gloom act is more severe than it needs to be.

They likely don't have a real contending team next year, but there are too many useful pieces to say they're going to be terrible.


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Old 06-18-2017, 09:47 PM   #2583
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Brian McCann. I read about this recently.

He's been a very consistent hitter for quite a long time but you'd never guess that's him.
It was on the baseball broadcast tonite

Didn't know he's been that consistent
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Old 06-18-2017, 10:07 PM   #2584
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The second part of your prediction was that we could hold onto both Hos and Moose after this season. You've also mentioned that we could hold onto Cain if we wanted to

It's important to acknowledge that while we may be able to hold onto one of these players, we will likely lose all of them with potentially little return if we hold.
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Old 06-18-2017, 10:33 PM   #2585
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The second part of your prediction was that we could hold onto both Hos and Moose after this season. You've also mentioned that we could hold onto Cain if we wanted to

It's important to acknowledge that while we may be able to hold onto one of these players, we will likely lose all of them with potentially little return if we hold.
I've been a long time advocate of selling but if this run continues into late July, I think they keep Hosmer, Cain, Moose and Minor and just take the sandwich picks next year.

The farm system clearly isn't as barren as Baseball Prospectus has made it appear so, there's a likelihood of them winning 81+ games in 2018 without their WS stars.
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Old 06-18-2017, 10:41 PM   #2586
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I've been a long time advocate of selling but if this run continues into late July, I think they keep Hosmer, Cain, Moose and Minor and just take the sandwich picks next year.

The farm system clearly isn't as barren as Baseball Prospectus has made it appear so, there's a likelihood of them winning 81+ games in 2018 without their WS stars.
I think people keep assuming the farm is as barren as it was after the Baird era. It's not. Not even close. We have solid pieces that can allow us to have a relatively quick reload (rather than another decade long rebuild).

If we're 1-3 games back, I think the Royals should look to add contributing pieces (bullpen and off the bench help) and go for one last run.

If we're 5+ games back, I'll be a bit annoyed if the Royals hold steady, especially if Cain, Moose and Hos keep up their current production, driving up their value at the deadline.
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What do we know about this Pratto kid (the 1st round draft pick)? They say he's a great hitter. Heard Joey Votto as a comp. Yet he hit .318 with only like 7 hr as a HS senior. Not real good numbers for a first round pick, but HS seasons are very short, high variance, and I'm sure it was better competition than Paola HS.
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I think people keep assuming the farm is as barren as it was after the Baird era. It's not. Not even close. We have solid pieces that can allow us to have a relatively quick reload (rather than another decade long rebuild).

If we're 1-3 games back, I think the Royals should look to add contributing pieces (bullpen and off the bench help) and go for one last run.

If we're 5+ games back, I'll be a bit annoyed if the Royals hold steady, especially if Cain, Moose and Hos keep up their current production, driving up their value at the deadline.
If Cain, Moose and Hos keep up their current production, we won't be 5+ back
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If Cain, Moose and Hos keep up their current production, we won't be 5+ back
Agreed.
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I think people keep assuming the farm is as barren as it was after the Baird era. It's not. Not even close. We have solid pieces that can allow us to have a relatively quick reload (rather than another decade long rebuild).



If we're 1-3 games back, I think the Royals should look to add contributing pieces (bullpen and off the bench help) and go for one last run.



If we're 5+ games back, I'll be a bit annoyed if the Royals hold steady, especially if Cain, Moose and Hos keep up their current production, driving up their value at the deadline.

It also hurts that the Royals' best overall prospect type (Mondesi) has enough MLB service time to no longer qualify for prospect status. He'd still be a top 50 type if he did.

In Mondesi and Soler, you do have two players at AAA with true star potential.

There also a lot of potentially useful pieces that don't show up on prospect lists. The A+ and A team's in Wilmington and Lexington both had multiple all stars in their league.

Side note: it appears Chase Vallot is really suffering from Wilmington's home park. Saw his splits yesterday, and they're good away from the cavern Wilmington plays its home games in.

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What do we know about this Pratto kid (the 1st round draft pick)? They say he's a great hitter. Heard Joey Votto as a comp. Yet he hit .318 with only like 7 hr as a HS senior. Not real good numbers for a first round pick, but HS seasons are very short, high variance, and I'm sure it was better competition than Paola HS.

Pratto is kind of the opposite type of hitter than the Royals have traditionally taken with HS prep position players.

He's very polished and refined and shows a real aptitude for controlling the strike zone.

There's power potential there, but this isn't a kid with the tremendous raw power of Hosmer and Moustakas or Bubba Starling.

Pratto's pick is part of a subtle overall shift in the Royals approach to position players. You're seeing them draft a LOT more players who have shown plate discipline than just raw physical talents.

Guys like Nicky Lopez, Anderson Miller, Khalil Lee.



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Since May 1, Bubba Starling's OPS has gone from .387 to .674.
Hopefully (doubtfully) this is a sign of the light flip switching on.
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It would be huge to have 1 less spot to have to fill via FA next year. Maybe allows you to keep Moose or Hos.
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Since May 1, Bubba Starling's OPS has gone from .387 to .674.

And just to clarify, he is .299/.323/.458 in that time span.

He was atrocious in April. It's possible it's just a fluke hot stretch. It's also possible that the swing mechanics changes have finally clicked and are letting him tap into the prodigious physical ability.

I'll hope for the latter but not believe it until we have more track record to review.


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