Chiefs Someone review Tyson Jackson and rest of Dline. - Page 4

googlegoogle · 08-21-2010, 09:37 PM

Len and Mitch said the Dline looked good.

**BossChief** · 08-22-2010, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyPhuD

Uhhh sims was a no 6 pick, sorry not a ton of difference there, sims so far is still hands down the worst pick.

not sure I agree.

Sims was the consensus top player on the board. For a team, like us, in dire need of a defensive tackle, he wasn't a bad pick initially. Its when he became lazy and couldnt stay on the field when he became a bust and it didnt take long. Hold out followed by injury followed by lazy = bust.

Tyson Jackson wasnt projected to go in the top ten in any mock draft till the days leading up to the draft. He wasnt that talented. He should become a good 3-4 end, but he will never be a Suh, Reggie White, Bruce Smith type guy that is worth that high of a pick.

When you reach for a player like that, the pick needs to HIT.

I still contend that the best pick for that draft would have been Brian "toilet brush" Orakpo with Mark Sanchez coming in at a close second...and he is only a close second in my book because of the increased risk involved in taking a player out of college that was so inexperienced.

Orakpo and Hali would have given us a damn good pass rush for a long time and would have made the defenses come along much better than an average 5-tech.

**The Bad Guy** · 08-22-2010, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan88

Wrong.

T-Jack's game was at this same shitty level last year when several elements of this board were DEFENDING him.

How can a human being be an element?

**The Bad Guy** · 08-22-2010, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan

T Jack wont be here next year they should just cut their losses. He really hasnt even flashed any greatness at all.

HORRIBLE PICK!!!!!!

He absolutely was.

You can find any journeyman 3-4 DE and you would get double the production for about 1/10th the cost.

**The Bad Guy** · 08-22-2010, 07:48 PM

What's concerning to me is that Romeo Crenell is a hell of a DL coach and Jackson hasn't shown anything with the coaching he's provided.

It's like Weis with Cassel. If TJ can't perform with this guy, then there's no ****ing hope for him.

**BossChief** · 08-22-2010, 07:51 PM

I still have have hope for Tyson Jackson to become a good player, but he will never live up the billing of the #3 spot.

For what we are paying TJ, we could almost have the two best 5-techniques in the NFL

Halfcan · 08-22-2010, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

He absolutely was.

You can find any journeyman 3-4 DE and you would get double the production for about 1/10th the cost.

well when you are ranked 19-25 range and the chiefs take him that high-bad things will happen.

He is not a Block eater he is a Cap space eater.

veist · 08-23-2010, 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Tyson Jackson wasnt projected to go in the top ten in any mock draft till the days leading up to the draft.

Its kind of fuzzy as its been a while but I believe that the word was the Packers were targeting him as they felt Raji would not be on the board for them. So he might have been a top10 pick, which speaks mostly to how bad the draft class was for 3-4 ends last year. Not that any of that makes it a good pick.

rad · 08-23-2010, 06:29 AM

How did Dorsey look?

**the Talking Can** · 08-23-2010, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

I still have have hope for Tyson Jackson to become a good player, but he will never live up the billing of the #3 spot.

For what we are paying TJ, we could almost have the two best 5-techniques in the NFL

i'd be thrilled if he just became 'solid'

FAX · 08-23-2010, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

How can a human being be an element?

Well, Milla was the 5th Element, so I guess you have to throw your head back and shoot light out of your larynx.

FAX

wasi · 08-23-2010, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Sims was the consensus top player on the board. For a team, like us, in dire need of a defensive tackle, he wasn't a bad pick initially. Its when he became lazy and couldnt stay on the field when he became a bust and it didnt take long. Hold out followed by injury followed by lazy = bust.

Sims was not the consensus top player. Henderson and Haynesworth were considered very close. The reason the Chiefs chose Sims was because of John Butler, HC at NC. He was aslo close friends with Vermeil and Carl and personally recommended Sims.

MOhillbilly · 08-23-2010, 10:54 AM

Why arent you guys numb to the jackson pick/play yet?

**the Talking Can** · 08-23-2010, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by MOhillbilly

Why arent you guys numb to the jackson pick/play yet?

time heals all wounds...except when you're a chiefs fan and the wounds are on top of other wounds etc into infinity...

**DaneMcCloud** · 08-23-2010, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Little early for that.

Worse than Trezelle Jenkins, Steve Fuller, Ethan Horton, Brian Jozwiak, or Ryan Sims??

JFC, we've already gone over this: YES

He was #3 overall in a deep draft and was paid $28 million dollars before he even stepped on the field. He's set the franchise back at least two years, if not more.

****.

Great Expectations · 08-23-2010, 11:32 AM

Two year set back for a DE??? JFC, he isn't good, but a two year set back for a DE in a 3-4 is a little extreme. Does that make Jamal Charles a 2 year step forward?

IMO our big step back is Cassel.

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