Chiefs Was Herm Edwards a good PR choice for the Chiefs?

Wile_E_Coyote · 04-30-2008, 11:24 AM

I know it's not easy, but set aside Herm's game day management. For a franchise that needs to rebuild & will be getting little to no media attention (people love a winner). Is Herm Edwards good for the Chiefs PR wise?

The media seems to love him.

Or is media attention over rated? Players come for the paycheck.

Let us wallow in this rebuild in solitude.

DV brought alot of attention KC's way

Basileus777 · 04-30-2008, 11:26 AM

Say what you want about Herm as a coach, but the players seem to genuinely like him. He's given us good press from the media, but I'm not really sure how important that is.

DTLB58 · 04-30-2008, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Basileus777

Say what you want about Herm as a coach, but the players seem to genuinely like him. He's given us good press from the media, but I'm not really sure how important that is.

I don't think it matters at all for the good. I remember when DV left the media was slobbering all over him and making it such a huge deal that we were losing him. But I didn't hear one of them give the facts that with all his notoriety "at the end of the day"

DV didn't win a playoff game with this team.

I think it will be the same with Herm, the media falls in love with his personality and they don't put the pressure on him as if they hated him and wanted him out.

So, in the end, if the coach is a faliure I think it hurts us that being a good PR person is one of his qualities.

Wile_E_Coyote · 04-30-2008, 11:42 AM

I don't remember if Gunther was the laughing stock media wide. That he was on this BB.
Marty didn't really get the playoff choker tag until his KC run was about done/or after

Direckshun · 04-30-2008, 11:50 AM

I hope to keep Herm around for the rest of his contract. (2009 season.)

After that, if we could replace him with a coach who has the exact same mentality (stockpile picks & build through the Draft, a la the Colts) but who doesn't have his head up his ass in-game, I'd be the happiest guy in the room.

I could care less about PR wise.

RedThat · 04-30-2008, 11:52 AM

I don't like his coaching at all. Game management skills, the way he calls a game, makes us a bad team alone.

It seems as if Clark is putting a lot of hope and faith in Herm. So, we'll see how he does with guys Im hoping will be good players.

I think he would be excellent to work in the FO though. He does have the right idea in how a championship team is built imo. And I love it how he sticks with his board and drafts based on best value, rather then reach for need.

If it were me, I'd put him in the FO with Kuharich and Farmer. And Carl well I shouldn't go there....

**Dylan** · 04-30-2008, 11:54 AM

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"Was Herm Edwards a good PR choice for the Chiefs?"

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-30-2008, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by RedBull

I don't like his coaching at all. Game management skills, the way he calls a game, makes us a bad team alone.

It seems as if Clark is putting a lot of hope and faith in Herm. So, we'll see how he does with guys Im hoping will be good players.

I think he would be excellent to work in the FO though. He does have the right idea in how a championship team is built imo. And I love it how he sticks with his board and drafts based on best value, rather then reach for need.

If it were me, I'd put him in the FO with Kuharich and Farmer. And Carl well I shouldn't go there....

Not to be argumentative (though, I guess I am), do you think that someone else could have coached the Chiefs to a 9-7 record in 2006, given the loss of Trent Green (and no serious replacement) and Willie Roaf (with no serious replacement)?

DT58HOF · 04-30-2008, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Not to be argumentative (though, I guess I am), do you think that someone else could have coached the Chiefs to a 9-7 record in 2006, given the loss of Trent Green (and no serious replacement) and Willie Roaf (with no serious replacement)?

well he did it so i would say yeah probably many other guys.
Are you saying his coaching got us 9 wins and his coaching made the Donks choke?

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-30-2008, 01:23 PM

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well he did it so i would say yeah probably many other guys.
Are you saying his coaching got us 9 wins and his coaching made the Donks choke?

Nope, I'm not saying that at all.

Dick Vermeil (who is worshipped by so many around here) had Willie Roaf and a healthy Trent Green (and a complete team that was one year younger), yet he was only able to coax one more win out of essentially the same squad (plus he had Saunders, not Solari).

While I wouldn't put Herm in the category of some of the great coaches (Belichick, Walsh, Johnson, Lombardi, Noll, Gibbs, Parcells) and maybe not in the same category as the very good (Reid, Holmgren, etc.), I think that if Herm has a healthy, talented squad, he's going to win a minimum of 9 games per year.

His drafts have been successful. Let's see how this team shapes up before calling him a poor coach. Keep in mind that he was essentially forced into playing veterans AND forced into retaining Vermeil's offensive staff.

If you watch ANY team as closely as the Chiefs faithful watch theirs, you're bound to see mistakes by coaching staffs galore (save for the aforementioned Belichick).

Why do you think there's so much coaching turnover in the NFL?

raybec 4 · 04-30-2008, 01:39 PM

I personally feel that like any other coach Herm has his strengths and weaknesses. He is VERY media friendly, but that is more of a good thing for him than it is the team/organization. I wonder if he were capable of winning games as acoach if he would feel the need to be such a PR guy.

FAX · 04-30-2008, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

... While I wouldn't put Herm in the category of some of the great coaches (Belichick, Walsh, Johnson, Lombardi, Noll, Gibbs, Parcells) and maybe not in the same category as the very good (Reid, Holmgren, etc.), I think that if Herm has a healthy, talented squad, he's going to win a minimum of 9 games per year ....

Thank you for visiting us from the planet Whathehell. Welcome to Earth.

On this planet, any (if not all) NFL-level coach can get you a batch of wins with a "healthy, talented squad". It's what you do when you don't have all the players you want or need that determines your skill as a coach. We Earthlings have yet to see Herm demonstrate the ability to win consistently, let alone develop players, make sound game-day decisions, and/or gameplan the enemy coach to his advantage.

FAX

kc rush · 04-30-2008, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by RedBull

I don't like his coaching at all. Game management skills, the way he calls a game, makes us a bad team alone.

It seems as if Clark is putting a lot of hope and faith in Herm. So, we'll see how he does with guys Im hoping will be good players.

I think he would be excellent to work in the FO though. He does have the right idea in how a championship team is built imo. And I love it how he sticks with his board and drafts based on best value, rather then reach for need.

If it were me, I'd put him in the FO with Kuharich and Farmer. And Carl well I shouldn't go there....

Add to that his overall "Play not to lose" philosophy, it makes for a poor game day experience.

The media loves Herm because he's good for a quote, bound to open his mouth and say something stupid. Every time a public figure makes a stupid comment it gives the media something easy to talk about, they don't have to work as hard to fill broadcast time or column inches.

Is this good PR? The Chiefs are talked about year round locally and nationally, so I guess that is something. As a fan though, I tend to get angry every time I hear him talk (and talk and talk and talk and never shut up), so I've taken to turning the channel whenever he is on.

**J Diddy** · 04-30-2008, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by kc rush

Add to that his overall "Play not to lose" philosophy, it makes for a poor game day experience.

The media loves Herm because he's good for a quote, bound to open his mouth and say something stupid. Every time a public figure makes a stupid comment it gives the media something easy to talk about, they don't have to work as hard to fill broadcast time or column inches.

Is this good PR? The Chiefs are talked about year round locally and nationally, so I guess that is something. As a fan though, I tend to get angry every time I hear him talk (and talk and talk and talk and never shut up), so I've taken to turning the channel whenever he is on.

It's ok, it'll be alright

hush now

Coogs · 04-30-2008, 12:28 PM

I know I am in the minority around here, but I like Herm as a coach. I agree with his philosophy and everything. I like tough defense and smashmouth play action type of offense. Call me old school, but I just like that type of football. I think we are assembling the type of talent needed to make that type of system work as well. Both sides of the ball. And Herm has proven he can get teams to the playoffs on a fairly regular basis and win once he is there. He has just not won the big one yet. Very much like Dungy. And I wouldn't be surprised if he wins it all just as Dungy did. Might take 3 or 4 more years, but I really believe we are on the right path this time.

04-30-2008, 11:24 AM	Topic Starter
Wile_E_Coyote avatar down for remodel Join Date: Jul 2001 Casino cash: $10004900	Was Herm Edwards a good PR choice for the Chiefs? I know it's not easy, but set aside Herm's game day management. For a franchise that needs to rebuild & will be getting little to no media attention (people love a winner). Is Herm Edwards good for the Chiefs PR wise? The media seems to love him. Or is media attention over rated? Players come for the paycheck. Let us wallow in this rebuild in solitude. DV brought alot of attention KC's way
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04-30-2008, 11:26 AM	#2
Basileus777 MVP Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: New Jersey Casino cash: $5495958	Say what you want about Herm as a coach, but the players seem to genuinely like him. He's given us good press from the media, but I'm not really sure how important that is.
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Wile_E_Coyote avatar down for remodel Join Date: Jul 2001 Casino cash: $10004900	I don't remember if Gunther was the laughing stock media wide. That he was on this BB. Marty didn't really get the playoff choker tag until his KC run was about done/or after
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04-30-2008, 11:50 AM	#5
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4403447	I hope to keep Herm around for the rest of his contract. (2009 season.) After that, if we could replace him with a coach who has the exact same mentality (stockpile picks & build through the Draft, a la the Colts) but who doesn't have his head up his ass in-game, I'd be the happiest guy in the room. I could care less about PR wise.
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04-30-2008, 11:52 AM	#6
RedThat Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Earth Casino cash: $10004900	I don't like his coaching at all. Game management skills, the way he calls a game, makes us a bad team alone. It seems as if Clark is putting a lot of hope and faith in Herm. So, we'll see how he does with guys Im hoping will be good players. I think he would be excellent to work in the FO though. He does have the right idea in how a championship team is built imo. And I love it how he sticks with his board and drafts based on best value, rather then reach for need. If it were me, I'd put him in the FO with Kuharich and Farmer. And Carl well I shouldn't go there....
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04-30-2008, 01:39 PM	#11
raybec 4 MVP Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: East Jabip Casino cash: $5213807	I personally feel that like any other coach Herm has his strengths and weaknesses. He is VERY media friendly, but that is more of a good thing for him than it is the team/organization. I wonder if he were capable of winning games as acoach if he would feel the need to be such a PR guy.
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04-30-2008, 12:28 PM	#15
Coogs In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Northern Kansas Casino cash: $1634349	I know I am in the minority around here, but I like Herm as a coach. I agree with his philosophy and everything. I like tough defense and smashmouth play action type of offense. Call me old school, but I just like that type of football. I think we are assembling the type of talent needed to make that type of system work as well. Both sides of the ball. And Herm has proven he can get teams to the playoffs on a fairly regular basis and win once he is there. He has just not won the big one yet. Very much like Dungy. And I wouldn't be surprised if he wins it all just as Dungy did. Might take 3 or 4 more years, but I really believe we are on the right path this time.
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