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Old 03-24-2014, 07:22 PM  
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Critics question the fatal shooting of a homeless camper
Posted: Mar 24, 2014 5:20 PM CDT
Updated: Mar 24, 2014 4:50 PM CDT





New Mexico - Critics of the Albuquerque Police Department are raising serious questions about the fatal shooting of a homeless camper.

38-year-old James Boyd argued with police for more three hours last Sunday about illegally camping in open space.

Boyd continued to refuse officer commands and began threatening their lives causing officers to open fire.

Boyd had a violent 20-year criminal history including multiple incidents of violence against officers and years of mental health related concerns.
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Old 03-26-2014, 10:48 AM   #196
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some knife wielding weirdo won't be stabbing my wife or children tonight because of people on chiefs planets feelings. Thanks Cops....tax money going to good things.
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Old 03-26-2014, 11:06 AM   #197
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some knife wielding weirdo won't be stabbing my wife or children tonight because of people on chiefs planets feelings. Thanks Cops....tax money going to good things.
So glad you feel a little safer going to bed now. Your wife and child would have been next.

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Old 03-26-2014, 11:10 AM   #198
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I have kept up with this thread and didn't know what to post because I think the police handled it wrong..I know it's a bad situation because I have been in situations they were similar while on my deployments

With that being said I don't care if they talked for 3 hours..If they needed to talk to him for 6 hours to get him down then they needed to..it's there job..Serve and Protect

He was mentally ill and had a violent history..ok so now you know don't walk up to him and grab him like he is your buddy..talk to the man..have an officer in normal clothes talk to him so it's not as threatening to him..having 5 tactical dressed officers pointing rifles at you is going to get anybody nervous and or agitated

Ok he had a knife..If you can't talk him down have the 5 officers in tactical gear move to all sides of him and start closing the gap..have a couple stand below the steep hill in case he bails but use that terrain feature as something to push him towards..then as you close the gap have the dog ready the shotgun with bags ready and a teaser ready..As you close the gap and he decides he wants to charge hit him with the teaser and bags and if needed turn the dog on him

The situation was handled wrong..there was a threat because of his mental health issues his violent history and the knife but the the numbers the gear and the availability of non lethal means to subdue the man highly outweighed the threat..The situation should of and most certainly could of been handled better..The man should be alive
No way, man. They could have been injured.
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Old 03-26-2014, 11:10 AM   #199
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Over the last ten years, more people have been killed by police officers in this country than all American soldiers who died in Iraq. We are militarizing our police at astounding rates. We send SWAT teams to solve every problem (and justify their existence and budget) and we get SWAT solutions. Every tool in the toolbox is a hammer now, and guess what cop defenders...you and everyone you love are the nails.

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Old 03-26-2014, 11:21 AM   #200
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No one answered my question from before...


Say the cops tazed him....he fell down to the ground...hit his head and died. Then what?
That danger is present for every situation in which a taser is used. They don't refrain from using a taser in other normal police situations because of that fear. You could use that "What if" on any taser use.

Regardless, they chose a method that carried much greater danger to the subject by using a flash bang/real bullets, than the danger of using a taser. They weren't exactly concerned for potential danger to the subject when they shot him in the back with lead bullets. Not seeing how your "What if" makes any difference here.
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Old 03-26-2014, 02:10 PM   #201
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3 dozen officer shootings, 22 of them fatal, since 2010.
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Over the last ten years, more people have been killed by police officers in this country than all American soldiers who died in Iraq.
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You know this use to America and we use to have a right to question authority.
He did question authority. For 3 ****ing hours. Take your police state bullshit and shove it up your stupid ass.
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Old 03-26-2014, 02:19 PM   #202
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These 2 quotes seem to be in opposition of each other.



He did question authority. For 3 ****ing hours. Take your police state bullshit and shove it up your stupid ass.

Really. Boy you are super smart.

Sorry, I don't think a cop should be able to shoot you for being a pain in the ass.

So time limit is 3 hours and a cop gets to shot you.

I hope you have all your shit in order the next time you get pulled over.

Take too long to find an insurance card well too ****ing bad.

You are a dumb ****.
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Old 03-26-2014, 02:30 PM   #203
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Really. Boy you are super smart.

Sorry, I don't think a cop should be able to shoot you for being a pain in the ass.

So time limit is 3 hours and a cop gets to shot you.

I hope you have all your shit in order the next time you get pulled over.

Take too long to find an insurance card well too ****ing bad.

You are a dumb ****.
You are comparing a traffic stop with a guy verbally threatening officers, having a three hour standoff with officers, and wielding two knives at officers and I'm the dumb ****?

Do you honestly believe that the cops would have shot him if he didn't reach into his pockets and pull out knives? This guy wanted to be shot and in the end he got exactly what he wanted. I just wish he wouldn't have wasted the taxpayer's money and stabbed himself in the throat. Same result, fewer bleeding ****ing vaginas worried about a crazy man with a death wish.
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Old 03-26-2014, 02:30 PM   #204
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There does seem to be a lot of truth regarding the militarization of local police. I've seen them here in Tulsa as well as OKC.
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Old 03-26-2014, 02:32 PM   #205
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You are comparing a traffic stop with a guy verbally threatening officers, having a three hour standoff with officers, and wielding two knives at officers and I'm the dumb ****?

Do you honestly believe that the cops would have shot him if he didn't reach into his pockets and pull out knives? This guy wanted to be shot and in the end he got exactly what he wanted. I just wish he wouldn't have wasted the taxpayer's money and stabbed himself in the throat. Same result, fewer bleeding ****ing vaginas worried about a crazy man with a death wish.
Wow, dude what color is the sky in your world?
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Old 03-26-2014, 02:40 PM   #206
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I can't figure out why they even used that flash grenade (or whatever it was). He was picking up his bag and coming down.
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Old 03-26-2014, 02:42 PM   #207
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You are comparing a traffic stop with a guy verbally threatening officers, having a three hour standoff with officers, and wielding two knives at officers and I'm the dumb ****?

Do you honestly believe that the cops would have shot him if he didn't reach into his pockets and pull out knives? This guy wanted to be shot and in the end he got exactly what he wanted. I just wish he wouldn't have wasted the taxpayer's money and stabbed himself in the throat. Same result, fewer bleeding ****ing vaginas worried about a crazy man with a death wish.
You keep repeating this. But the cops still have a responsibility to protect him even if he wanted to be shot. I have no pity for the dead dude considering the way he went about it. But you don't excuse the cops' misconduct one single bit just because the dumbass wanted to die.
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Old 03-26-2014, 02:45 PM   #208
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I can't figure out why they even used that flash grenade (or whatever it was). He was picking up his bag and coming down.
Holy ****ing assumption, Batman.
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Old 03-26-2014, 02:54 PM   #209
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Holy ****ing assumption, Batman.
No more of an assumption than saying he was going to throw the knives at the officers.

I only watched the video once. Much earlier in the day. Did he not agree to come down? I thought, and I might be wrong, he said he was coming down. No?

It seems to me firing that device escalated a situation that appeared to be coming to a peaceful end.

Once he pulls the knife(s), all bets are off. I mean I can see how 10 guys with automatic weapons and a K9 unit would be scared for their life by a crazy homeless camper who was disoriented by an explosion at his feet. They should have just emptied their mags into him.

Even more disgusting was shooting him 3 times with a beanbag gun and releasing the dog after they shot him in the back.
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Old 03-26-2014, 02:55 PM   #210
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Holy ****ing assumption, Batman.
So how big is the assumption that he committed suicide by cop.

Holy ****ing super duper assumption, Batman.

Those Police Officers overacted period, that man should not be dead.

You can try to spin any way.

Cops have a no win job in most instances and they do the best they can most of the time.

They failed in this one.
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