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Old 03-24-2014, 07:22 PM  
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Critics question the fatal shooting of a homeless camper
Posted: Mar 24, 2014 5:20 PM CDT
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New Mexico - Critics of the Albuquerque Police Department are raising serious questions about the fatal shooting of a homeless camper.

38-year-old James Boyd argued with police for more three hours last Sunday about illegally camping in open space.

Boyd continued to refuse officer commands and began threatening their lives causing officers to open fire.

Boyd had a violent 20-year criminal history including multiple incidents of violence against officers and years of mental health related concerns.
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Old 03-26-2014, 02:57 PM   #211
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These 2 quotes seem to be in opposition of each other.
No. 22 fatal shootings by APD alone is a lot.
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Old 03-26-2014, 02:58 PM   #212
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No more of an assumption than saying he was going to throw the knives at the officers.

I only watched the video once. Much earlier in the day. Did he not agree to come down? I thought, and I might be wrong, he said he was coming down. No?

It seems to me firing that device escalated a situation that appeared to be coming to a peaceful end.

Once he pulls the knife(s), all bets are off. I mean I can see how 10 guys with automatic weapons and a K9 unit would be scared for their life by a crazy homeless camper who was disoriented by an explosion at his feet. They should have just emptied their mags into him.

Even more disgusting was shooting him 3 times with a beanbag gun and releasing the dog after they shot him in the back.
He was picking up all of his shit and all I heard was "No reason to be scared....I'm not a murderer" and the cop says "Do it". I'm not defending the cops for their actions.

What this thread has become is anyone who doesn't scream "Murderers!" or "Police State!" at the top of their lungs is backing the cops and thinking that what they did was justified. It's not....I've been merely asking questions.
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Old 03-26-2014, 03:01 PM   #213
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No, I agree.

I have no idea how I would react at the very moment if I was a Police Officer. Hopefully, I will never have to draw down on somebody to find out.
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This type of thing could be easily solved by training bears to guard our campgrounds.
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Old 03-26-2014, 03:06 PM   #215
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This type of thing could be easily solved by training bears to guard our campgrounds.
I support the right to arm bears.

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These 2 quotes seem to be in opposition of each other.



He did question authority. For 3 ****ing hours. Take your police state bullshit and shove it up your stupid ass.
Bob Dole's post was vague. Apologies.

That statistic is for Albuquerque PD alone.
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Old 03-26-2014, 03:10 PM   #217
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Bob Dole's post was vague. Apologies.

That statistic is for Albuquerque PD alone.
They have to shoot first and ask questions later, what with all that blue meth going around Albuquerque making everyone crazy.
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Old 03-26-2014, 03:12 PM   #218
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This guy wanted to be shot and in the end he got exactly what he wanted. I just wish he wouldn't have wasted the taxpayer's money and stabbed himself in the throat. Same result, fewer bleeding ****ing vaginas worried about a crazy man with a death wish.
The article said the guy has a history of mental health issues. Your assumption that the guy wanted to be shot is baseless.
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Old 03-26-2014, 03:28 PM   #219
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No. 22 fatal shootings by APD alone is a lot.
make it #23

http://krqe.com/2014/03/26/following...t-another-man/

Man dies following overnight APD shooting

ALBUQUERQUE (KRQE) – Another fatal APD shooting took place Tuesday night, following a protest against the department just 10 days after the fatal foothills shooting that brought national attention and more scrutiny to the city’s police.

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Video shows the man lower his hand before any shots are fired. Lots of people saw all of this happen, but they have different stories. Some witnesses believe the man was holding a phone in his hand, however, others say they saw a gun and believe the man didn’t fire, but only pointed it at his own head.

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Old 03-26-2014, 03:33 PM   #220
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make it #23

http://krqe.com/2014/03/26/following...t-another-man/

Man dies following overnight APD shooting

ALBUQUERQUE (KRQE) – Another fatal APD shooting took place Tuesday night, following a protest against the department just 10 days after the fatal foothills shooting that brought national attention and more scrutiny to the city’s police.

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Video shows the man lower his hand before any shots are fired. Lots of people saw all of this happen, but they have different stories. Some witnesses believe the man was holding a phone in his hand, however, others say they saw a gun and believe the man didn’t fire, but only pointed it at his own head.
Seems like a justified shooting, but if you have the chief lying about shots being fired, that's some serious shit.
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Only 23 over the last three years?

Sounds totally reasonable.
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Our tax dollars at work saving somebody that doesn't even pay taxes.

Little harsh there, man....
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I am usually not the most heart-heavy person when it comes to human life in general, but it just seems to me like in this modern era the police have so many non-lethal options to subdue an unarmed (gun) criminal. They outnumber him so much as it is, plus they have attack dog, bean bag guns, tazers, god knows what else. Seems like a pointless death, even if it is some homeless guy that's whacked out of his head and threatening policemen.
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No more of an assumption than saying he was going to throw the knives at the officers.

I only watched the video once. Much earlier in the day. Did he not agree to come down? I thought, and I might be wrong, he said he was coming down. No?

It seems to me firing that device escalated a situation that appeared to be coming to a peaceful end.

Once he pulls the knife(s), all bets are off. I mean I can see how 10 guys with automatic weapons and a K9 unit would be scared for their life by a crazy homeless camper who was disoriented by an explosion at his feet. They should have just emptied their mags into him.

Even more disgusting was shooting him 3 times with a beanbag gun and releasing the dog after they shot him in the back.
He agrees to come down and picks up his stuff and step towards the police officers. The pigs then signal "do it" and set off the flash grenade, in which he totally freaks out AND THEN pulls out a knife as a result, before turning to run away. Then he's gunned down by assault rifles. The entire sequence was escalated and provoked by the pigs. They even had the K9+officer only about 8 feet in front of him when it happened, the dog could have easily taken him down after he turned and ran (he wouldn't even have done that in the first place if they didn't set off the grenade for no reason). No excuses. No justice. All cops are bastards.

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true. it only looks like he was running away, he was actually being propelled by bullets.
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He agrees to come down and picks up his stuff and step towards the police officers. The pigs then signal "do it" and set off the flash grenade, in which he totally freaks out AND THEN pulls out a knife as a result, before turning to run away. Then he's gunned down by assault rifles. The entire sequence was escalated and provoked by the pigs. They even had the K9+officer only about 8 feet in front of him when it happened, the dog could have easily taken him down after he turned and ran (he wouldn't even have done that in the first place if they didn't set off the grenade for no reason). No excuses. No justice. All cops are bastards.
Sounds like you might have had a not so good experience with law enforcement. Elaborate?

I don't agree with 'all cops are bastards'. I think, much like Catholic Priests, you only hear about the bad ones and then people paint all of them with a broad brush.
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