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Old 06-18-2018, 03:54 PM  
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Trump: Space Force

Trump is establishing a new military branch. Space Force.... LOL...

Space Force and Air Force will be 'separate but equal' branches, President Trump says

President Donald Trump used a term from US segregationist history to describe the relationship between the Air Force and his newest military branch, the Space Force, calling it "separate but equal."

"We must have American dominance in space. Very importantly, I'm hereby directing the Department of Defense and Pentagon to immediately begin the process necessary to establish the Space Force as the sixth branch of the armed forces. That's a big step," he said in the White House East Room during a meeting of his National Space Council Monday.


"We are going to have the Air Force and we are going to have the Space Force: separate but equal, it is going to be something so important," he said.

The term "separate but equal" became a legal precedent following an 1896 Supreme Court ruling Plessy v. Ferguson that said the use of racially separate facilities, if equal, was not discrimination. That legal rationale was deemed unconstitutional through a series of Supreme Court decisions, ending with 1954's Brown v. Board of Education.

In addition to calling for the Space Force, Trump signed Space Policy Directive-3 Monday, part of his administration's push to lead in the field of space.

Trump previously floated the idea of adding a "Space Force" branch to the US military — a concept that has received some support on Capitol Hill but drawn skepticism from the Pentagon.

Space Policy Directive-3 is primarily focused on satellite traffic management and mitigating debris in space. The policy, executive secretary of the National Space Council Scott Pace told reporters, "seeks to address the challenges of a congested space environment."

"If we're going to expand the economy in space, we need to make sure it's done in a sustainable way," Pace said.

For the private sector's space activity, the primary effect of the policy is "more rapid and more accurate information on where they can launch," as well as "flexibility in launch windows," and satellites having "more time to put toward revenue-generating activities rather than maneuvering" to avoid collision risks, Pace said.

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Old 06-19-2018, 12:22 PM   #106
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Why does it need to be done?
I think NASA can handle it.

I don't think there's any reason to militarize space exploration when we don't really explore space anymore.
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Old 06-19-2018, 12:23 PM   #107
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So the thread has gone from support of this as a giant anti-littering campaign in space to a let's conquer the galaxy military quest, despite lacks of threats for that even on earth. Nothing much fiscal on how we're gonna' pay for it. Okaaay!
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Old 06-19-2018, 12:23 PM   #108
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Are you saying no government money, ever, makes its way to SpaceX? And who pays for an F18?

And I'm a die-hard conservative!
No shit? I never would have guessed you are conservative. The way you like to spend taxpayer money seems awfully big government.
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Old 06-19-2018, 12:24 PM   #109
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And I'm a die-hard conservative!
No you're not. You're a Republican. That's not necessarily conservative. Unless you put "neo" in front of it. They see threats everywhere, which is irrational.
The biggest skeer'dy cats on earth are those who love having massive military expenditures.

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Old 06-19-2018, 12:26 PM   #110
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So we're all about SpaceX, but this isn't OK? So launching cars into space is awesome, but guarding the homeland from orbit is terrible?

Liberals are SOOOOO stupid!

I actually have no problem with a separate branch of the military, IF there is administrative or other benefits to be gained by splitting it off from the Air Force.

The real question to me is that if you want a Space Force, then what are the lines of demarcation between that branch and the Air Force? I don't (yet) see the operational or strategic need to separate AF from SF. In teh future, almost without question there will be a need for something separate. Hell, the AF might need to be renamed or eliminated, as the operational focus evolves.

As of right now, however, what does the SF get that the AF can't handle easily enough. Or is there some need to have a different viewpoint that a SF leadership team could provide that the AF might not?

Let's face it, the only difference between AF and SF might be "how high up does our stuff go", and I'm not sure that that is a significant enough difference.
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Old 06-19-2018, 12:28 PM   #111
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Well, this could be another one of Trump's negotiating tactics. Start out with some HUUUUUGE idea or demand, only to see it whittled-down to something less, but allows Trump to get what he wanted anyway.

Afterall Trump said we would "dominate" space with this. That's an ambitious place to try to dominate.
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Old 06-19-2018, 12:37 PM   #112
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I actually have no problem with a separate branch of the military, IF there is administrative or other benefits to be gained by splitting it off from the Air Force.

The real question to me is that if you want a Space Force, then what are the lines of demarcation between that branch and the Air Force? I don't (yet) see the operational or strategic need to separate AF from SF. In teh future, almost without question there will be a need for something separate. Hell, the AF might need to be renamed or eliminated, as the operational focus evolves.

As of right now, however, what does the SF get that the AF can't handle easily enough. Or is there some need to have a different viewpoint that a SF leadership team could provide that the AF might not?

Let's face it, the only difference between AF and SF might be "how high up does our stuff go", and I'm not sure that that is a significant enough difference.
Space defense is happening it's just a matter of whether it is designated as a separate branch or not.
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Old 06-19-2018, 12:39 PM   #113
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Space defense is happening it's just a matter of whether it is designated as a separate branch or not.
Yeah, I get that. Whether others do, I don't know.
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Old 06-19-2018, 12:56 PM   #114
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Trump pissed and shit in 24k gold toilets. Of course he wants his own space force. He knows he can say anything and his base will jump on board.
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I wonder if these same type arguments and mocking went on when the Air Force was formed out of the Army Air Corps.
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I wonder if these same type arguments and mocking went on when the Air Force was formed out of the Army Air Corps.
I'm sure. And deservedly so.
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I wonder if these same type arguments and mocking went on when the Air Force was formed out of the Army Air Corps.
How much debt and deficits were we running then to question it?
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Didn't Trump justify putting the military exercises involving the U.S. and South Korea on hold in part because they are "VERY EXPENSIVE?"
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