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Old 11-07-2012, 08:56 AM  
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GOP, 2012: Angry White Men and Their Women

Honestly, that is what the Republican party has become. Think about it...

Think about most of the obnoxious conservatives in this forum: Angry White Men....it says it all. They've been drinking the Limbaugh, Hannity, and Beck Kool-Aid for over 20 years now. Is it really surprising, then, that the party no longer appeals to anyone else--especially with their seething contempt and venomous attacks toward anyone who dares to disagree with them?

The Democrats went though a similar thing...between 1968 and 1988, when they lost 5 out of 6 Presidential elections, because they were out-of-touch with the country (too beholden to bleeding heart liberals and minorities.) Between 1992 and 2012, the Republicans have now lost the popular vote for President in 5 of the 6 elections, for the same reason (too beholden to the Tea Party and talk radio addicts.)

Until the GOP admits they have a a big problem, and are out-of-touch, and seek to moderate their policies and rhetoric....they will remain the party of Angry White Men and the Women Who Love Them. They must find ways to appeal to larger numbers of Blacks, Asians, women, and Hispanics--otherwise they are screwed. And they will continue to struggle to win national elections.

It's simple math. Demographic shifts have become political inertia, and the GOP has to recognize that reality--instead of pretending not to notice.

In 1992, Clinton brought the Democratic party back toward the mainstream. For the GOP to turn things around in 2016, they'll need to do the same thing. Whenever political parties are sucked into lunatic fringe politics, they alienate the voters who matter--in our republic, a majority. Republicans had better soon remember the role of majority rule in our country, or they may yet become this century's version of the Whigs.
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Old 10-28-2016, 10:57 AM   #376
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There are plenty of Prominent Hispanic and African American Republicans. A Majority of mintority voters tend to overlook them though for whatever reason?


Your right, the Repubs need to do a better job of reaching out to those communities.
As i've always said, i personally don't believe the lack of minority voters is due to Republican politicians themselves.

But Republican politicians are fighting an uphill battle against their own conservative media and their voting base, who seemingly go out of their way to shit on minorities whenever possible.

When's the last time you saw a conservative acknowledge BLM's concerns? Instead they're always labeled as criminals. And while some are, republicans like to focus on those few, rather the peaceful activists that are protesting in good spirit.

When we start talking about jobs and the economy, it's the Republican BASE that start calling them lazy welfare recepts....not the politicians.
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Old 10-28-2016, 11:02 AM   #377
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Kotter basically nailing it 4 years ago.

Flash forward 4 years and the problem is even worse...I didn't really see it like this or this bad in 2012. I voted for Romney and I would've resented being put in the same category as the tards of Trump.

But, this prediction really came true in 2016 and if conservative thinkers do not reject these boobs....2020 will not be different.
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Old 10-28-2016, 11:06 AM   #378
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But, this prediction really came true in 2016 and if conservative thinkers do not reject these boobs....2020 will not be different.
I think the politicians have. I just think the voting base and conservative media have really jumped the shark. You have Limbough, Drudge, Breitbart etc pushing a narrative and working the base into a frenzy. From my view, i saw a good, concentrated effort to reach minorities and be fair to them during the republican primaries.

But that was pretty much rejected by the voting base.
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Old 10-28-2016, 11:23 AM   #379
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As i've always said, i personally don't believe the lack of minority voters is due to Republican politicians themselves.

But Republican politicians are fighting an uphill battle against their own conservative media and their voting base, who seemingly go out of their way to shit on minorities whenever possible.

When's the last time you saw a conservative acknowledge BLM's concerns? Instead they're always labeled as criminals. And while some are, republicans like to focus on those few, rather the peaceful activists that are protesting in good spirit.

When we start talking about jobs and the economy, it's the Republican BASE that start calling them lazy welfare recepts....not the politicians.
BLM is a lunatic fringe group with no centralized leadership, no unified cause or constitution.
Exactly what form of recognition do you feel is appropriate for a conservative to show?

You few here sitting around waxing philosophic about the 'angry white man' are amusing in that the white men you don't want to see angry are far from being angry as of now.
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Old 10-28-2016, 11:26 AM   #380
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BLM is a lunatic fringe group with no centralized leadership, no unified cause or constitution.
Exactly what form of recognition do you feel is appropriate for a conservative to show?
At least acknowledge that that they're being killed for unsubstantiated reasons at a disproportionate rate? That'd be a good start.

I understand that not every instance the media inflates are justified, but a lot of them are.

It's more of a pattern of behavior than anything. Rarely do conservatives take the side of the minority in ANY of their concerns. It's always criticism.

Always criticism and not even an ounce of empathy.
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Old 10-28-2016, 11:53 AM   #381
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At least acknowledge that that they're being killed for unsubstantiated reasons at a disproportionate rate? That'd be a good start.

I understand that not every instance the media inflates are justified, but a lot of them are.

It's more of a pattern of behavior than anything. Rarely do conservatives take the side of the minority in ANY of their concerns. It's always criticism.

Always criticism and not even an ounce of empathy.
I've not seen any data substantiating this. Have you?
BLM is tied via incitement to cold blooded murder of and acts of violence committed on police officers and have not actively disavowed and discouraged same.

There is nothing positive about them for a civil society to acknowledge. As any misbehaving child soon learns their negative behavior does not warrant positive attention.
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Old 10-28-2016, 12:30 PM   #382
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Yeah Kotter nailed it on this one. LePage 2020 here we come! Either that or just a white hot ball of pure seething rage.
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Kotter catches a lot of shit from the conservatives here, but this was pretty spot on.
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Keep telling yourself that; RINOs...according to the lunatic fringe, are the only viable option if the GOP wants to stay relevant. Otherwise, an alternative party, at some point, will replace them.
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Coming back from the polls the other day and NPR had an article about the militia groups.

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Along the border between the U.S. and Mexico, armed groups on patrol — mostly men — look for illegal immigrants and drug traffickers. They're not U.S. Border Patrol, but regular people who've decided to take matters into their own hands.

They call themselves militias. Groups such as these have been around for decades, but they exploded in number after Barack Obama was elected president. Today, there are 276 militia groups around the country, according to the Southern Poverty Law Center.

Shane Bauer, a reporter with Mother Jones magazine, went undercover with one of those groups — the Three Percent United Patriots — on one of their operations in southern Arizona.

"They didn't know that I was a journalist," Bauer tells NPR's Kelly McEvers. "I didn't lie to them, but I was just there as another militia member, so they're all being very frank around me."

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Describe the organization you infiltrated. What is their goal?

What they say to each other is that they are looking for drug cartels. That's also their public statement about what they're doing. ... Some of these guys, when they roll out of the guarded, armed camp, they're really amped up. They're going out at nighttime with night vision, and guys are talking about hunting Mexicans. It feels like going to war. Their stated goal is to find people and report them to the Border Patrol.

Tell us about some of the people you met there — particularly the guy who went by the name Iceman.

A good number of them are military veterans. Some had done multiple tours in Iraq or Afghanistan; there was one sniper who was there. Some of them are just people that lived in the suburbs, kind of working class, mostly white men.

Iceman is a guy from Aurora, Colo., had been in the Marines in Afghanistan. He was struggling to hold jobs, to get good jobs. He had a child who had health problems, seemed generally kind of alienated. And when he left the Marines, he ended up looking for militias to join and he found the Three Percent United Patriots and joined up.

When we're out in the wilds of Arizona, rolling around in a pickup truck, armed to the teeth, he said, "This reminds me of Afghanistan," and he was very frank about it. For him, this was therapy.

So what these militias are doing — is it legal?

That's a big question. They call themselves militias because they're associating themselves with the militias of the time of the Revolutionary War. The modern-day militias see themselves as a defense against the federal government. They believe in a lot of wild conspiracies about the U.N. invading the United States to take away everyone's weapons; the government has concentration camps ready to put patriots in.

But the issue is that the law does not provide for people to organize and train on their own. And a lot of states have laws against militia training, and against paramilitary training, but these laws have never been enforced.

What is their motivation?

This is something I thought about a lot while I was there. ... People have very individualized reasons for doing it that tend to point to some conspiracy, or fear that the federal government has too much power.

But it seemed to me that there was something much deeper than that. Part of that seems to be a kind of sense that they — white men — are losing power, and I think a lot of them are not happy with that.

But I think there's also a sense of just excitement that they get from this. Initially, I was judging them internally for this. But then I realized that, look, in some ways, I'm there for a similar reason. These guys, like myself, are enjoying this kind of excitement, and maybe that's the reason they're there, because they feel that they're out in a kind of Wild West and they're basically re-enacting war again.

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Coming back from the polls the other day and NPR had an article about the militia groups.
Good long article from a reporter who went undercover and infiltrated one of these groups: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...igration-bauer (probably the source for NPR)
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The Mother Jones article. Interesting read.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...-laws-training
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Good long article from a reporter who went undercover and infiltrated one of these groups: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...igration-bauer (probably the source for NPR)
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