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Old 01-16-2020, 09:14 AM  
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Lamar Jackson wasn't, isn't, and never will be better than Patrick Mahomes

This "Lamar Jackson is in the same league as Mahomes" nonsense on every football related show I see needs to stop.

Lamar Jackson, on the biggest stage, has now shit down his leg in both opportunities. Lamar is a player who has to have everything around him working perfectly to have success. Put him down 2 scores and ask him to carry the team, he cannot answer the bell.

There's a big difference between a running quarterback, and a quarterback who can run. Lamar Jackson and The Ravens ran 88 plays and put up 12 points.

Jackson attempted 59 passes, only threw one touchdown, but also threw two picks and lost a fumble. 12 points on 59 pass attempts should tell you all you need to know about Lamar as a QB when the lights are the brightest.

Nobody would bat an eye if before the game, soneone told us Pat would put the ball up 59 times. Matter of fact, id be pretty excited to see how many points and yards he would put up in that span of plays.

When things got bad for both QBs, you saw the odds on favorite to win the MVP this year get visible frustrated, press, and ultimately fold. He was nowhere to be seen trying to work out what was happening, rallying his team, he simply pouted on the sideline as his team fell further behind.

The reigning MVP had literally no quit. Its one thing to say after the fact, that we had faith all along, its quite another for that to be true.

Down 24, think about that for a moment. 24. Mahomes is captured, in that moment on the sideline saying we have everything we want. Everyones already counted us the **** out, so go do something special.

Then, to walk the walk after talking the talk, leading the team to 7 straight touchdowns and 8 scoring drives, throwing 5 touchdown passes, and displaying a fiery emotion that if you dont feel anything when you see this kid going nuts after a huge play, call the coroner, because youre already dead.

The two qbs could not be further apart. Jackson cannot hold Mahomes jock when it comes to putting the team on his back.

Lamar should consider signing with KC as a running back. Its the only way barring injury to Mahomes, that hes ever getting a ring.

Mahomes is the MVP. Its not even close. Lamar is a running back executing the halfback pass play about 20-25 times a game.

Jacksons first two years have ended with dud playoff performances.

Mahomes first two years as a starter sees his team hosting back to back AFC title games for a frachise that in its entire history never hosted a single one before he arrived.

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Old 01-16-2020, 09:58 AM   #16
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I didn't realize this even needed to be said, or that that's an actual conversation occurring. I've never heard it
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Old 01-16-2020, 10:01 AM   #17
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Mahomes is miles better than mahomes. But lamar is a pretty damn good short term solution for the right system that consistently executes the system. Thankfully the world saw what happens when that system falls apart so the hype can end.... He needs a great defense and great running game to make it work for him. But that doesn't mean he isn't a dynamic player who gives their team a really good shot at winning big games.
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Old 01-16-2020, 10:02 AM   #18
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This. OP just wasted paragraphs arguing against a boogeyman.
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Old 01-16-2020, 10:03 AM   #19
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Mahomes is miles better than mahomes. But lamar is a pretty damn good short term solution for the right system that consistently executes the system. Thankfully the world saw what happens when that system falls apart so the hype can end.... He needs a great defense and great running game to make it work for him. But that doesn't mean he isn't a dynamic player who gives their team a really good shot at winning big games.
Pretty sure Mahomes is just as good as Mahomes.
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Old 01-16-2020, 10:04 AM   #20
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Lamar needs to learn to pass effectively from the pocket. This entire offseason should be him forcing himself to remain in the pocket and throw accurate passes.
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Old 01-16-2020, 10:05 AM   #21
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The Watson hype I don't get as much. Reminds me of McNabb. He's solid and better than what most have. But he's not an elite runner, not an elite passer. Frankly think he's propped up by elite receivers.

The other guy I think is overhyped, and I know this is controversial, is Russell Wilson. I'd love it if he was our qb. But there's something about putting a glorified game manager in an elite category.
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Old 01-16-2020, 10:06 AM   #22
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What's with the insecurity over Lamar Jackson?

He had a great season and is fun to watch. People liking to watch him play isn't a dig on Mahomes (who gets plenty of love btw)
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The Watson hype I don't get as much. Reminds me of McNabb. He's solid and better than what most have. But he's not an elite runner, not an elite passer. Frankly think he's propped up by elite receivers.

The other guy I think is overhyped, and I know this is controversial, is Russell Wilson. I'd love it if he was our qb. But there's something about putting a glorified game manager in an elite category.
Russell used to be a game manager but now he's a handcuffed QB. If Pete would just let him be elite from the beginning of the game, they'd have another title by now. But he insists on running the ball and being down at half time until they're forced to throw and Russell Wilson can save him in the 3rd and 4th quarter. Just look at the Seahawks/Packers game this weekend.

But yeah he used to be a big game manager in the years they went/won the Superbowl. It annoys me that he threw 4 picks in a playoff game and won. Alex smith would have won the Superbowl if he was with the Seahawks those years.
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Russell used to be a game manager but now he's a handcuffed QB. If Pete would just let him be elite from the beginning of the game, they'd have another title by now. But he insists on running the ball and being down at half time until they're forced to throw and Russell Wilson can save him in the 3rd and 4th quarter. Just look at the Seahawks/Packers game this weekend.

But yeah he used to be a big game manager in the years they went/won the Superbowl. It annoys me that he threw 4 picks in a playoff game and won. Alex smith would have won the Superbowl if he was with the Seahawks those years.
That's the thing, he "use to be" a game manager. I don't know how you could watch Wilson now and call him a game manager. He throws one of the best balls in the game and is the same type of Qb as Rodgers and Mahomes. He's been quite more than a game manager for awhile now.
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That's the thing, he "use to be" a game manager. I don't know how you could watch Wilson now and call him a game manager. He throws one of the best balls in the game and is the same type of Qb as Rodgers and Mahomes. He's been quite more than a game manager for awhile now.
Yeah I can't imagine how good he'd truly be if he had a coach like Reid instead of Carroll.
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That's the thing, he "use to be" a game manager. I don't know how you could watch Wilson now and call him a game manager. He throws one of the best balls in the game and is the same type of Qb as Rodgers and Mahomes. He's been quite more than a game manager for awhile now.
He throws maybe the prettiest deep ball in the game. But in between those plays are a million checkdowns to his TE and RB, or plays where he holds on to the ball a million seconds because like Alex Smith hes very conservative. Unlike Alex Smith, he has the talent to explode when the team needs him. Hes one of the better game managers out there and that can win super bowls but in between the highlight reels he's a really conservative qb.
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People don't realize Wilson threw 26 TDs his rookie year, more than Andrew Luck. Russ was already peak-game manager and a better player than Alex Smith from the moment he came into the league.

He hasn't been a game manager for years now, either. That roster is lowkey trash and has been for quite a bit.
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Welcome to near the end of the Nfl season. Good to see youve come out from under the rock youve been living under.

It may come as a shock to you, but ever since Lamar Jackson laid waste to the hapless Dolphins in week 1,there has been an ongoing conversation of whos better between the two quarterbacks.

LITERALLY ALL ****ING SEASON, THIS CONVERSATION HAS BEEN TAKING PLACE.

Who would you rather have the next 10 years.

Who is more electrifying.

Which guy do you want with the game on the line.

Numerous comparisons of the two qbs all season as if anyone without complete shit for brains woud choose Lamar over Mahomes.

Welcome to the topic. Not sure if youve just been hitting your pipe too hard all season, or if youre just being intentionally obtuse.
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Welcome to near the end of the Nfl season. Good to see youve come out from under the rock youve been living under.

It may come as a shock to you, but ever since Lamar Jackson laid waste to the hapless Dolphins in week 1,there has been an ongoing conversation of whos better between the two quarterbacks.

LITERALLY ALL ****ING SEASON, THIS CONVERSATION HAS BEEN TAKING PLACE.

Who would you rather have the next 10 years.

Who is more electrifying.

Which guy do you want with the game on the line.

Numerous comparisons of the two qbs all season as if anyone without complete shit for brains woud choose Lamar over Mahomes.

Welcome to the topic. Not sure if youve just been hitting your pipe too hard all season, or if youre just being intentionally obtuse.
Whoa...people talked about the MVP front runner and compared him to the previous years MVP? Inconceivable!
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