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Letís look back at the Chiefs Week 3 matchup with the Ravens

I’ll be honest, I have no idea why I wrote this. I started writing a couple of days ago after work and finished this morning. It’s a 2,000 word breakdown about the Chiefs 2019 matchup against the Ravens and examines the potential of a future rivalry. I know there are still questions about the sustainability of Lamar’s game, but TL;DR - I hope he succeeds. A Mahomes-Lamar rivalry would be incredible as Chiefs fans and stellar for the game, even if Mahomes has the upper hand . I realized when I finished writing that I had no real place to upload this, so I landed on Chiefsplanet. I totally understand if you pass on this for other threads here. With that said..



Why the potential of a Patrick Mahomes and Lamar Jackson rivalry puts Chiefs fans in a whole new territory of fandom.

Week 3, 2019: Ravens @ Chiefs

In the wildness of the Chiefs season, the 4-0 start, the terrifying injury to Patrick Mahomes, the discovery of a defensive identity, and the unforgettable and record setting comebacks in the 2019 playoffs, I feel like this Week 3 matchup is not getting the attention or love it deserves. This game, both in its hype and in the performance of both sides, felt ripped out of the 2019-2020 playoffs and transplanted to a Week 3, sunday afternoon game. But, I love looking back on this game and its implications for the future. This was a huge matchup with stakes that had major implications on the Chiefs playoff seeding and helped earn the Chiefs a bye week. It was the eventual #1 seed in the AFC, the 14-2 Baltimore Ravens @ the #2 seed in the AFC, the 12-4 Kansas City Chiefs. A face off that ultimately had a major impact on the Chiefs road to the Super Bowl.

The media was buzzing coming into Week 3 of the Chiefs 2019 season. The Ravens were the first defense that slowed down Patrick Mahomes in 2018. The Ravens were up 24-17 with a minute left in the fourth quarter. It required one of Mahomes most iconic plays of his career, two fourth down conversions, and the Chiefs topping Baltimore after an unforgettable back and forth between Mahomes and Lamar and a fourth down stand by our defense. Mahomes hitting that 48 yarder on 4th and 9 last year is arguably the most iconic play of Mahomes career. If the Chiefs don’t convert on that play, the Chiefs miss home field advantage in the playoffs. The stakes couldn’t be higher, and no one else in the NFL could make that play - and Mahomes made it.



This play, in many ways, could be the spark that set the standard for this rivalry - and little did Chiefs fans know so early in the season that the stakes would ultimately be just as high in 2019. The Ravens came in being hyped as this year’s heir apparent to the AFC and Lamar the new star to challenge Kansas City and Patrick Mahomes. The Ravens threw out every single play of their 2018 playbook (designed for Flacco) and redesigned their entire offensive, selecting players and forming a system that maximized Lamar Jackson’s skill set. Many around the league were skeptical that Lamar could excel passing from the pocket, but in Week 1 he did just that, going 17-20 for over 300 yards and a perfect 158.3 Quarterback Rating. The Ravens came into Arrowhead with a 2-0 record and against a Chiefs team that had equally reinvented their defense after collapsing against Brady in the AFC Championship. Adding Tyrann Mathieu (The Landlord), Frank Clark, Juan Thornhill, Alex Okafor, Emmanuel Ogbah, and Damien Wilson gave the Chiefs D a badly needed personnel and attitude shift from the previous season. Earl Thomas and the Ravens defense vowed to eliminate the Chiefs big plays that sunk the Ravens last year, and the NFL started early on hyping the game as a rematch to one of the most exciting games in 2018. While Mahomes absolutely needed his Kansas City Chiefs team to win MVP in 2018 and Super Bowl 54 just like Lamar was to win the MVP of 2019, these two athletes very much became the faces of their franchise and the new faces of the NFL - and this fact was very much hyped and publicized going into their Week 3 matchup.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.kan...235250012.html

A fantastic article from The Undefeated chronicled the hype going into the matchup, capturing quotes like this:
“Ravens defensive coordinator Don Martindale said Sept. 19 before the game that it might be “the next Brady-Manning matchup, Ali-Frazier, Magic-Bird.” Chiefs safety Tyrann Mathieu, only slightly more circumspect, told ESPN on Sept. 20 that Mahomes and Jackson were “generational talents” who “would be a matchup to watch for the next 15 years.”’

https://theundefeated.com/features/p...-quarterbacks/

The Ravens came out in the first quarter and delivered on their promise to make a statement. The Ravens went for it on multiple 4th downs (and a failed 2 pointer) to take a 6-0 lead. Going into the 2nd quarter, twitter chatter indicated that the Chiefs had been “punched in the mouth”. Similar to the previous matchup against the Raiders and as a foreshadowing to the Chiefs performance in the playoffs, the Chiefs, led by Patrick Mahomes, came out cool, collected, and with a razor like precision in the 2nd quarter. The Chiefs went on a 23-0 run (a sight that became quite familiar in the 2019 season) that was highlighted by a spectacular 83 yard touchdown from Mahomes to Hardman, who sped right past Earl Thomas despite his promise to eliminate the Chiefs big plays.



Chiefs jumped ahead 30-13 after the third quarter and those opening quarters felt like a statement that when our offense was clicking with Mahomes, no one could compete against the Chiefs. The Ravens responded in the 4th quarter. A question coming into the game was if Lamar could lead drives with his arm if his team was back against a wall. Lamar Jackson responded by putting together dynamic plays to convert on multiple 4th downs in the 4th quarter. Lamar’s plays down the stretch got a lot of attention, as he weaved his way out of pressure and put up 50-50 balls that his receivers made fantastic plays on. In response, Mahomes engineered clutch drives at the end of the game to hold off the Ravens comeback. In the past Chiefs fans grew all too used to watching our former quarterbacks give the ball back with time left in the game. Giving the opponents just enough time to lose in a heartbreak - but this time, facing a 3rd and 9 and a first down away from victory, Mahomes sealed it against who would be the #1 seed in the AFC (with a play he lobbied for with Andy).



Mahomes excellence shouldn’t diminish the Chiefs revamped defense’s role in this win, with a Frank Clark coming through with a huge sack against Lamar in the 4th to hold the Ravens to a field goal late and The Landlord being called the defensive player of the game by several analysts.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-h...st-Chiefs-sack

https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2019/...yer-on-defense

The game also makes one remember how valuable McCoy, D-Rob, and Ogbah were at the beginning of the year, with Ogbah coming through with a clutch sack in the 2nd half of the game. You got the sense at the end of the game that we were watching two teams who were going to go deep into the playoffs. Immediately after the game, analysts commented on Lamar’s playmaking ability and Mahomes dominance through the game. Mahomes stat line ended at 27-37 for 374 yards and 3 touchdowns, a stat line that was unbelievably becoming a standard for the Chiefs QB. Earl Thomas promised a rematch between the teams, and many fans around the league were hoping the Chiefs and Ravens would match-up again in the playoffs.

The Ravens went on to become the story of the 2019 regular season, rolling to 12 straight victories on the back of Lamar’s jaw dropping playmaking ability and often dominant performances, highlighted by victories over the Texans, Seahawks, Patriots, Bills and 49ers. PFF, FiveThirtyEight, and many commentators around the league had the Ravens as the Super Bowl favorites going into the postseason. Comparatively, the Chiefs went into the 2019 postseason rather quietly on the national stage compared to 2018, a status many Chiefs fans seemed to prefer compared to the previous year. While many national commentators had the Ravens as favorites, it was interesting to see how writers for the Ravens overwhelmingly rated the Chiefs as the biggest threat to Baltimore. Especially considering Mahomes 2-0 record against Lamar and Andy Reid’s 5-1 career record against his former assistant, John Harbaugh. The Chiefs ended up transforming by the end of the year, but that win always showed the Chief potential early in the season.

https://clutchpoints.com/are-the-pat...ns-in-the-afc/

We never got the rematch, as the Ravens were dispatched by a concerted effort from the Titans running game and after a season of converting on critical 4th and shorts, were unable to convert at critical junctures of their playoff game. As we know by now, Mahomes and the Chiefs became the first team to have three 10 point comebacks in the playoffs and won Super Bowl 54 in electrifying fashion. While Mahomes and Lamar did not get their rematch in the playoffs, it’s easy to be excited about the potential of this rivalry. The mutual respect between Jackson and Mahomes has already been well documented. Lamar has said Mahomes made him want to do everything to bring out his best while Mahomes called Lamar the rightful league MVP and face of the NFL after the Chiefs won the Super Bowl.

A rivalry like this is truly new territory for Chiefs fans. When discovering the Chiefs in 1998, I was regaled with heroic rivalry matchups such as Joe Montana and John Elway’s duel in Mile High and the Chiefs and Broncos epic matchups in the 90’s. A rivalry that became to be looked back on as John Elway vs Derrick Thomas and the Chiefs. Old timer Chiefs fans introduced me of Len Dawson’s rivalry with the Raiders, and how a dirty late hit on Dawson from the Raiders spawned benches clearing incident off-setting penalties, and an eventual tie that kept that year’s Chiefs from the playoffs. The critical difference from those stories to the potential of the Ravens and Chiefs rivalry is that the previous stories were often insulated to the Chiefs fandom. As important as they were to our history, those parts of our history were rather unknown to most sports fans. Even the Bronco fans I knew growing up took pity on the Chiefs as the equivalent of a 2nd Act mini-boss rather than a fierce rival they went back and forth with in the 90’s. Don Martindale has already showcased the potential of this rivalry, labeling it, “the next Brady-Manning matchup, Ali-Frazier, Magic-Bird. I know a few of my Chiefs fan companions and national commentators will be quick to point out that Lamar Jackson has yet to have a definitive performance in the playoffs, and there are some who question the long term sustainability of Lamar’s style. Patrick Mahomes faced similar questions going into 2019, and answered each of the questions as definitively as one could for being on the cover of Madden (long known to be a curse by football fans) and going into his sophomore season as a starter. Lamar will have the opportunity to answer his doubters in a similar fashion next year, and fans around the league should be hopeful he does. Lamar Jackson and Patrick Mahomes have the potential to start a rivalry that transcends the NFL itself.



Patrick Mahomes and Lamar Jackson bring a skill set that breaks all of the traditional norms of a Quarterback in the NFL. Mahomes was criticized going into the draft for lacking a consistent throwing motion and his unconventional footwork while Lamar was pushed to give up being a quarterback altogether. Watching Patrick Mahomes and Lamar Jackson carry their phenomenal ability to the NFL and win the MVP awards has sent shockwaves through the league. These quarterbacks are shattering the traditional expectations of play and every down brings a new potential for them to do something unforgettable. Already, national writers are arguing that the question that carried the league for two decades (how do you stop Tom Brady and Patriots?) is starting to shift for NFL front offices around the league.

https://www.theringer.com/nfl-playof...l-comeback-god

Growing up in central Kansas, I never had access to watch the NBA and never developed an attachment to it - but I still grew up watching highlights in history from Larry Bird and Magic Johnson’s rivalry, or Wilt the Stilt squaring off against Bill Russell. In a similar vein as a non tennis fan I often find myself still watching Roger Federer square off against Rafael Nadal. Even as someone who often spent playoff time in a state of heartbreak due to Tom Brady and Peyton Manning, I still made time to watch them meet on the playoff field every January. Watching a rivalry of this scale invites folks from a worldwide audience to take a moment from their lives to experience the collective delight and catharsis of athletes like Patrick Mahomes and Lamar Jackson as they dazzle, overcome, and invite those to marvel at they push the boundaries of athletic ability and the human experience on a global stage. Watching rivalries like that also gives someone a timestamp in their life to look back on whenever they think about the game. Remembering these games also allows you to remember where you were in your life at that moment. Week 3 of this year was the first time my wife sat down to watch a Chiefs game with me (I sold her on the fact it’d be a big one), and it was where she started to really understand the game and my fandom. Later in the year she would be one of the people to convince me to take a spur of the moment trip with a couple of close friends to watch the Chiefs win their first ever AFC championship in Kansas City. It’s a big part as to why I will always look back fondly to the Chiefs Week 3 matchup with the Ravens.

With the last two games between the Chiefs and Ravens being absolute classics, I can only sit back and hope the rivalry between Mahomes and Lamar becomes a legendary one over the next decade. Next year, Kansas City travels to Baltimore, and we can only hope it becomes an epic third chapter of our next fabled rivalry between two transcendental athletes, which began with an overtime win in 2018 followed by the Week 3 win in 2019.

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Old 02-16-2020, 11:01 PM   #31
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As a football fan, I agree on the lamar/mahomes rivalry being great for the sport. As a chiefs fan, I hope it's just the mahomes show. **** everyone else

But excellent write up btw!
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Poor DeShaun Watson. If Patrick Mahomes didnít exist, heíd be with Andy Reid having a chance to rule the AFC. Even if Pat went to his 2nd most logical place that would have picked him (Saints), he would have been in this conference with Lamar and a big gap below that.

Instead heís in Houston with a seriously ****ed up management team that will hold him back as long as heís there.
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As a football fan, I agree on the lamar/mahomes rivalry being great for the sport. As a chiefs fan, I hope it's just the mahomes show. **** everyone else

But excellent write up btw!

To me, I think Jackson and Watson are the current top contenders for true rivals for Mahomes. Theyíre in the AFC, on playoff teams, etc. But I canít see Jackson progressing enough to REALLY make it a compelling rivalry. He has to win one at some point, and I donít think itís happening this year, either.

If Iím the Ravens, Iím drafting pass rushers and outside WR. Brown is a playmaker but they need more guys who can run 9 and deep post routes.

If teams are going to play Jackson to force throws outside the middle of the field, the Ravens need to counter with speedy receivers who can make people pay for leaving minimal deep passing coverage. Guys with big catch radii also help.

Of course, that makes it tough for the Ravens to also play 3 TE sets.

I think the best bets for a real rivalry arenít playing in the NFL yet. Tua Tagavaloa has a shot, though I donít love him. Burrow will have a shot. But I think the NFLís dream would be for the Raiders to somehow be bad enough to have #1 and land Trevor Lawrence.
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Poor DeShaun Watson. If Patrick Mahomes didnít exist, heíd be with Andy Reid having a chance to rule the AFC. Even if Pat went to his 2nd most logical place that would have picked him (Saints), he would have been in this conference with Lamar and a big gap below that.

Instead heís in Houston with a seriously ****ed up management team that will hold him back as long as heís there.
Seems he doesnít care. Just wants the money. His agent has already leaked that they will demand more from Houston than what Mahomes is able to get in KC. Houston seems like a flawed team even with Watsonís rookie discount. It wonít get easier for them after he gets top dollar.
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I liked it. Nice breakdown.
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If Iím the Ravens, Iím drafting pass rushers and outside WR. Brown is a playmaker but they need more guys who can run 9 and deep post routes.

If teams are going to play Jackson to force throws outside the middle of the field, the Ravens need to counter with speedy receivers who can make people pay for leaving minimal deep passing coverage. Guys with big catch radii also help.
Part of why I want the Ravens to succeed (though not on the level of the Chiefs, of course), has been from my interactions with the Ravens fan base in different pockets of the Internet. It was amazing to watch their subreddit legitimately celebrate Mahomes and Andyís victories (as well as Suggs) and then immediately acknowledge how their roster needs work if theyíre going to compete with Mahomes. Pass rushers and WR was at the top of their list. Hereís some screenshots I pulled recently (for some reason Iíve enjoyed reading other fan reactions to our SB win). The fanbase even rightfully concluded Mahomes was the true SB MVP over Williams.
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Mayfield and Darnold could still emerge with better coaching around them.
If the Jets brass are a bit less retarded next offseason they will dump Gase into the sewer and hire Bieniemy. Same exact thing can be said for the Texans as well.
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If the Jets brass are a bit less retarded next offseason they will dump Gase into the sewer and hire Bieniemy. Same exact thing can be said for the Texans as well.
By all accounts, the Texans have locked themselves up with Big Brain Oí B indefinitely. Theyíve traded a ton of draft capital and Watson (from all accounts) wants Mahomes money. With the holes they have on both sides of their roster they have a steep climb to stay elite.

My guess is that theyíll hang around 9-7/10-6 purgatory for a while and hope Watson can be good enough to make plays happen despite his line and lead them on a playoff run. So far theyíve always been left hoping the chips could fall just right for them to go on a run - a feeling we knew all too well before the Mahomes era.
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