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Old 01-25-2015, 10:39 PM  
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Proof positive that Russell Wilson is a game manager

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The Seattle Seahawks advanced to the Super Bowl in one of the most improbable comebacks in playoff history. Russell Wilson completed his final five passes, including a game-winning 35-yard touchdown in overtime to Jermaine Kearse.

Before the final five minutes and overtime, however, Wilson was abysmal. He threw a career-high four interceptions and became the second player in the Super Bowl era to win a postseason game with that many picks. Through three quarters, Wilson had a 0.2 Total QBR, and although he increased that number to 13.6 with his late-game heroics, Wilson finished the game with the lowest Total QBR in a postseason win since 2006.

This is not the first time that Seattle has won despite Wilson’s inefficiency. In fact, since 2012, Wilson’s first year in the league, the Seahawks have 15 wins in which their quarterback posted a below-average Total QBR, five more than any other team in the NFL. That includes both of Seattle’s NFC Championship wins during that time.
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Since Wilson entered the league, he has a 63.7 Total QBR in the regular season and playoffs, which ranks eighth among 31 qualified quarterbacks. Wilson deserves credit for his above-average QBR during that time, but does that equate to a 42-13 (.764 win percentage) career record?

Based on Wilson’s game-level QBRs in the last three seasons, he has almost 10 more wins than expected. No other player has six more wins than expected during that time.

So how have Wilson and the Seahawks been able to defy the odds? One word: defense.


In the last three seasons, the Seahawks have contributed 4.4 points per game to their net scoring margin on defense, by far the best defensive efficiency in the NFL. Only Alex Smith (2.1) and Andy Dalton (2.1) have had defenses that contributed more than two expected points per game in their starts during that time.
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Seattle’s defense has a knack for playing its best when Wilson and the offense are at their worst. Since the start of 2012, Wilson has had 22 games with a QBR below 50, including 15 wins. In those games, Seattle has held its opponents to an average QBR of 34.0 and has had a per-game defensive efficiency of +7.3. In Wilson’s games with an above-average QBR, the Seahawks have allowed a 45.7 average QBR and have had a +2.4 defensive efficiency rating.
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Old 01-25-2015, 11:14 PM   #31
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anyone who watches Alex Smith play and then watches Russell Wilson play and concludes that they are "similar QB's" is a ****ing moron.

And there is no debate.
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Old 01-25-2015, 11:16 PM   #32
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It's pretty hilarious that posters here say Alex Smith sucks and had nothing to do with the 49ers winning a lot of games because he had talent everywhere

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and then don't acknowledge that the same exact thing is happening in Seattle with Russell Wilson.
Alex is the poverty version of Russell.

Russell throws the ball down the field and is an elite scrambler.

Alex does not throw the ball down the field and is a decent scrambler.
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Old 01-25-2015, 11:16 PM   #33
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Russell had an 88 QBR in the Super Bowl last year with 200 yards and 2 TD's and 26 rushing yards

88 QBR

in the Super Bowl

no, he did nothing to help his team win a Super Bowl

yep yep yep
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Old 01-25-2015, 11:17 PM   #34
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was Tom Brady an elite NFL QB after 3 years in the NFL and 2 Super Bowl titles?

Yes or no.
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Old 01-25-2015, 11:18 PM   #35
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or, was he just a game manager with a really good team?

Because if that's the case, then how can anyone consider him better than Peyton Manning? Tom has never won a Super Bowl since becoming an elite NFL QB by these ridiculous standards.
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Old 01-25-2015, 11:18 PM   #36
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It's one of the best built teams I've ever seen, and Wilson does his role well, but anybody saying that Russell Wilson is an elite quarterback is crazy.
More wins than any qb in history first 3 years? In a very tough division I might add.
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Old 01-25-2015, 11:18 PM   #37
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Russell had an 88 QBR in the Super Bowl last year with 200 yards and 2 TD's and 26 rushing yards

88 QBR

in the Super Bowl

no, he did nothing to help his team win a Super Bowl

yep yep yep
His defense and special teams outscored Denver by themselves. Which is the whole point.
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It's pretty hilarious that posters here say Alex Smith sucks and had nothing to do with the 49ers winning a lot of games because he had talent everywhere

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and then don't acknowledge that the same exact thing is happening in Seattle with Russell Wilson.
In his entire 49ers career, he has 1 playoff win. And 1.5 winning seasons with the 49ers. All those wins.
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Brady's #'s during his Super Bowl winning years:

2001: 18:12 2843 yards
2003: 23:12 3620 yards
2004: 28:14 3692 yards

Yet, he's considered the greatest QB ever by the majority of people on this website.

So, basically, Tom gets credit for his game manager years because (?) who knows but Russell is Alex Smith.
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Old 01-25-2015, 11:21 PM   #40
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His defense and special teams outscored Denver by themselves. Which is the whole point.
so, Russell pitches a perfect game, but gets no credit because it was a blowout.

Damn.

Aikman has 0 Super Bowls then. They were all blowouts. He sucks.
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Old 01-25-2015, 11:21 PM   #41
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Russell Wilson did literally nothing in the Saints playoff win.
Then he had one good play to score a mere 7 of the teams 23 points. No mention of Lynch scoring a 40 yard TD run and the defense getting 2 INT's (one winning them the game and sending them to the SB).

Then the Seahawks anally raped Denver by defense. But lets give credit to the Wilson for throwing a quick 7 yard slant that turned into a long TD because Denver's DB's missed 3 tackles.

I'd take Luck over Wilson any day and so would 95% of league and its fans (exclusion=Hootie and all of Seattle's bandwagoners)
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Alex is the poverty version of Russell.

Russell throws the ball down the field and is an elite scrambler.

Alex does not throw the ball down the field and is a decent scrambler.
Jesus ****ing Christ, not everything on earth is analogous to your shitty cooking skills. Get a new shtick.
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Old 01-25-2015, 11:22 PM   #43
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After watching every NFL snap Russel has ever taken, I am ecstatic to have him LEAD my team. I believe he will be a hall of famer.
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you know who Russell Wilson is right now?

A mobile Tom Brady circa 2003

and if that's not elite then this board has lofty expectations for QB play
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The only reason our defense is. So good is because our qb is so clutch, our d knows Russ can bring the team back so keep playin hard..
Seattle's defense was top 10 in yards per game and points per game in 2011 with T-Jack and Whitehurst under center, so this explanation makes no sense.
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