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Old 04-06-2013, 02:15 PM  
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Not a rumor: Ryan Lilja may be returning to KC

EDIT: No longer a rumor. The Chiefs have reportedly reached out to Lilja.

We're three deep at guard, however. If this is true, I think this portends ugly things for Rodney Hudson's recovery. I think the Chiefs may be angling for a patch at center.

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2013/4...-of-ryan-lilja

The Return of Ryan Lilja?
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Apr 06, 2013

I've never had inside information before, but today I do. It's weird - and it was from out of the blue today - but I have it on good authority that Ryan Lilja is negotiating with the Chiefs to return for the 2013 season. That isn't to say that he would make the cut for the active roster after training camp, but I'd say he's got a damn good shot at that. What would you think to have Lilja back in the fold?
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Old 04-10-2013, 10:16 AM   #196
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I like Luke Patterson as much as the next guy, but guys like him do not have good track records in regime changes.
It's kind of funny. This statement is mostly true for 99.9% of the NFL except for one man:

Dick Vermeil.

How many "bubble" players can you think of that not only survived the regime change but also turned into pretty special talents?

Brian Waters
Jason Dunn
Tony Richardson
Dante Hall
John Browning (well... kinda... he was a starter anyway)

And that's ONLY counting his Chiefs players. If I knew anything about his Eagles team there would be GOBS more I could list for certain.

Somebody page Rams Fan down here to get the list from St. Louis.
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Old 04-10-2013, 10:20 AM   #197
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At best? No. The window, at best, is considerably longer than that. Even if we accept your contention that Elway's prime ended at age 33 (and assume that this will be the same for Alex Smith), it's impossible to argue that Elway's window as a solid franchise QB didn't stay open through his Super Bowl winning years.
I'm pretty much willing to bet you said the exact same shit about Cassel when he was acquired too.
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Old 04-10-2013, 10:32 AM   #198
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I'm pretty much willing to bet you said the exact same shit about Cassel when he was acquired too.
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Old 04-10-2013, 10:50 AM   #199
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At best? No. The window, at best, is considerably longer than that. Even if we accept your contention that Elway's prime ended at age 33 (and assume that this will be the same for Alex Smith), it's impossible to argue that Elway's window as a solid franchise QB didn't stay open through his Super Bowl winning years.
Alex Smith longer than 4 years? That's a joke right

if Alex Smith is here 5+ years or longer this team will never win anything and these coaches/GM will be fired and we will be back where we started, but this time with an entirely new team, as everyone with talent will be well passed their prime
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Old 04-10-2013, 10:51 AM   #200
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Oh bullshit. You support every lame-assed move this franchise makes as long as there is a new ass in the Captain's chair. Don't bullshit me; life is too short.
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Old 04-10-2013, 10:55 AM   #201
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Alex Smith longer than 4 years? That's a joke right

if Alex Smith is here 5+ years or longer this team will never win anything and these coaches/GM will be fired and we will be back where we started, but this time with an entirely new team, as everyone with talent will be well passed their prime
It's a best case boundary not a prediction. It doesn't account for your ability to see the future and predict it accurately.
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Old 04-10-2013, 10:57 AM   #202
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At best? No. The window, at best, is considerably longer than that. Even if we accept your contention that Elway's prime ended at age 33 (and assume that this will be the same for Alex Smith), it's impossible to argue that Elway's window as a solid franchise QB didn't stay open through his Super Bowl winning years.
Every time you post, your idiocy just reveals itself.

John Elway was not the same QB at 37 that he was at 27.

He wasn't as mobile and didn't have the same zip on the ball.

He still had a strong arm, but not that same arm that could sling it all over the yard the way he could when he was younger.

He played in system that maximized his ability, and those Donkey teams were loaded with talent, on both sides of the ball, unlike in his earlier years.

He was well past his prime.

The difference between Elway and Smith is that Elway was arguably one of the top 2, or at worst 3 QBs of all time, while Smith is at best a top of the line game manager that needs his team to play at an extremely high level to have the kind of success that he had in SF in the last 2 years.

Elway at 38 was still a better QB than Smith has ever been or will ever be.
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Old 04-10-2013, 10:58 AM   #203
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Every time you post, your idiocy just reveals itself.

John Elway was not the same QB at 37 that he was at 27.

He wasn't as mobile and didn't have the same zip on the ball.

He still had a strong arm, but not that same arm that could sling it all over the yard the way he could when he was younger.

He played in system that maximized his ability, and those Donkey teams were loaded with talent, on both sides of the ball, unlike in his earlier years.

He was well past his prime.
Missing the point as usual, I see. None of this is an argument against what I posted and none of it justifies your "best case" post that I corrected.
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Old 04-10-2013, 11:08 AM   #205
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Missing the point as usual, I see. None of this is an argument against what I posted and none of it justifies your best case post that I corrected.
No dipshit.

You missed the point.

Among all the greats in the game, John Elway is one of the rare exceptions that managed to win the big one beyond his prime years.

Johnny Unitas, Bart Starr, Joe Montana were unable to match that.

You have about the same hope of winning a SB with Alex Smith after the age of 33 as you do of winning a lottery with a ticket you picked out of the trash.
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Old 04-10-2013, 11:28 AM   #206
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No dipshit.

You missed the point.

Among all the greats in the game, John Elway is one of the rare exceptions that managed to win the big one beyond his prime years.

Johnny Unitas, Bart Starr, Joe Montana were unable to match that.

You have about the same hope of winning a SB with Alex Smith after the age of 33 as you do of winning a lottery with a ticket you picked out of the trash.
No, I didn't miss the point at all. You exaggerated when you called a 4-year window "best case" and you simply can't back down so you scramble to rationalize.
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No, I didn't miss the point at all. You exaggerated when you called a 4-year window "best case" and you simply can't back down so you scramble to rationalize.
Not backing down from shit, you jackass.

History tells us that the likely hood of winning shit after the age of 33 is very minimal.

So the window is relatively short with a mediocre 29 year old QB.

You're just a ****ing moron that knows jack.
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Not backing down from shit, you jackass.

History tells us that the likely hood of winning shit after the age of 33 is very minimal.

So the window is relatively short with a mediocre 29 year old QB.

You're just a ****ing moron that knows jack.
OK, whatever you say, milkman. You were wrong when you called it "best case", but now we know you really meant that it was just one guy's opinion, but that you chose your words poorly.
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OK, whatever you say, milkman. You were wrong when you called it "best case", but now we know you really meant that it was just one guy's opinion, but that you chose your words poorly.
So you are saying Elway and Alex Smith have the same window?
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So you are saying Elway and Alex Smith have the same window?
I'm saying that QBs, like Smith, who achieve their maximum potential have a window that lasts longer than age 33. I'm not saying that Alex Smith will even have a window. That remains to be seen.
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