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Old 11-04-2008, 10:41 PM  
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2000 vs. 2008 erection

Please tell me the difference....

You have an outgoing dem in 2000 and change is a coming...

You have an outgoing rep in 2008 and change is a coming...

Either way you look at it 8 years with one party is obviously enough for everyone....so what is it...

change, change and change....look back...tell me this hasn't been an ongoing theme in EVERY ELECTION.

Does it just boil down to giving someone else who seems more "popular" a chance?

I guess I just don't get it. I just don't see the president as being the one that makes all the "changes" to begin with. It's congress...

Call me stupid and flame away..
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Old 11-04-2008, 10:42 PM   #2
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Old 11-04-2008, 10:42 PM   #3
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Old 11-04-2008, 10:44 PM   #4
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I greatly preferred the 8 years preceding Bush's 8 years.
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Old 11-04-2008, 10:48 PM   #5
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The way I see it, it is more about the candidates. In many elections one of the parties runs a very blase candidate. Look at the losing candidates over the last 40 years. Geez.

At the beginning of the a presidential term the new Prez in recent years has set the national agenda. In recent years, we've seen an ineffectual congress. With the outcome of this election, the congress will have the power to set the agenda.

Interesting times. We'll see.
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Old 11-04-2008, 10:51 PM   #6
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We keep on voting for personality. GHWB did not have it, as with Dole, Gore, Kerry, and GWB just had more than those that he defeated.
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I agree with you all...but it doesn't really answer the question.

Do people REALLY think that a change in political parties might change their future in a positive way? Has it really ever in the last 25/30 years?

are we all merely "sheeple"
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Old 11-04-2008, 10:53 PM   #8
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I agree with you all...but it doesn't really answer the question.

Do people REALLY think that a change in political parties might change their future in a positive way? Has it really ever in the last 25/30 years?

are we all merely "sheeple"
I would say the good economic times of Clinton changed people's future in a positive way.

But my perspective is limited by my age.
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Old 11-04-2008, 11:00 PM   #9
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I agree with you all...but it doesn't really answer the question.

Do people REALLY think that a change in political parties might change their future in a positive way? Has it really ever in the last 25/30 years?

are we all merely "sheeple"
At one time I was fairly cynical in terms of whether it mattered who was president. W was the case that demonstrated to me that it does matter. I think the country is worse off than when he took office.
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Old 11-04-2008, 11:04 PM   #10
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I would say the good economic times of Clinton changed people's future in a positive way.

But my perspective is limited by my age.
Every incoming president inherits a dirty diaper...its just fact. How they dispose of it is another story...They either sweep it under the rug or blame it on the previous president.
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At one time I was fairly cynical in terms of whether it mattered who was president. W was the case that demonstrated to me that it does matter. I think the country is worse off than when he took office.

How so?
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I greatly preferred the 8 years preceding Bush's 8 years.
why?

Things were much different then...
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Old 11-04-2008, 11:10 PM   #13
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At one time I was fairly cynical in terms of whether it mattered who was president. W was the case that demonstrated to me that it does matter. I think the country is worse off than when he took office.

Damn you cdcox, once again you have posted my opinion before I had the chance. Nice job.
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Old 11-04-2008, 11:19 PM   #14
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How so?
We are in a war that we entered under false pretenses, that costs us more than $10B a month, and had cost the lives of many young Americans. There were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. We have no clean exit.

Our troops are stretched too thin to respond to any new crisis that erupts.

Our credibility and respect on the international stage has been diminished, as has our economic dominance.

We are becoming increasingly in debt to Chinese from whom we borrow money in order to buy oil and in the process ship trillions of dollars of our national wealth to countries in the middle east that dislike us.

We relaxed many of the banking regulations that now has our financial systems on the verge of collapse.

The education of our nation has been falling behind many other nations. I expect we will see the effect of this in the decades to come.

My net wealth is not growing fast enough to allow me to retire when I had planned.
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Old 11-04-2008, 11:24 PM   #15
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Every incoming president inherits a dirty diaper...its just fact. How they dispose of it is another story...They either sweep it under the rug or blame it on the previous president.
This doesn't have anything to do with my answer to your question.
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