Royals 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread - Page 237

duncan_idaho · 10:01 AM

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

Hootie · 05-04-2013, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by alnorth

2019. We can go to market for the 2020 season. Our horrible TV contract pays $20MM/yr. The Indians for example are getting $40MM/yr.

that's embarrassing for whoever agreed to that

Kidd Lex · 05-04-2013, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

that's embarrassing for whoever agreed to that

Network demanded Wal-mart prices.

duncan_idaho · 05-04-2013, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre

Isn't Dwyer finally becoming the pitcher we always hoped he would. I haven't had time to watch MiLB games yet this year, but it would seem to me based on his stat line that he is finally breaking through despite the promotion to AAA.

I watched Dwyer one or two starts back. He's definitely focusing more on throwing strikes, and his K rate is down a bit as a result. But I think he might have kind of figured it out.

duncan_idaho · 05-04-2013, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru

Duncan, play GM.

You can acquire BOTH David DeJesus (to platoon with Frenchy) AND Chase Utley. Both could be available in June. I think that would significantly upgrade the offense without breaking the bank long-term fiscally or in terms of young talent.

Would you make those deals? If so, what would you trade to get them?

I wouldn't trade anything of real value for David DeJesus. Something like Jason Adam + JC Gutierrez is as far as I would go there. A C prospect and a lotto guy. If Epstein wants more... screw him.

For Utley... I think you can do that for a guy who is a fringe top 100 prospect and some extra pieces.

Something like:
Orlando Calixte (he has to start hitting better at NWA for this to work)
Gio/Colon (whichever one they like... guy that is close to the majors, has some upside and can give them everyday play at 2B pretty much right away)
Chris Dwyer

That woud be a pretty fair package, I think, and it's a better one than they received for Pence.

CaliforniaChief · 05-04-2013, 09:57 AM

BS Question because it won't happen. But if the Royals went out and acquired Stanton, signing him to a 5 year extension and building around him, what would the average attendance at the K be this summer?

I legitimately think that if you added Stanton to a contender, you're looking at 30,000 + at every home game. This town is starving for a young superstar who hits long home runs, IMO. They could market the hell out of him.

I'd send them Cain, Ventura, Mondesi, and 2 other low-level prospects for Stanton.

Ok, back to reality.

Prison Bitch · 05-04-2013, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

that's embarrassing for whoever agreed to that

David Glass. You know, the "brilliant businessman". He's really been unsuccessful in everything he's done without Sam Walton carrying him on his back.

Prison Bitch · 05-04-2013, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

1) Kyle Zimmer. Doesn't profile as a true ace (Verlander/Kershaw/King Felix), but then only a few minor league guys have that type of upside. Profiles just fine as someone with James Shields/Zack Greinke level potential.

Zack is every bit the ace that those guys are.

nychief · 05-04-2013, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief

BS Question because it won't happen. But if the Royals went out and acquired Stanton, signing him to a 5 year extension and building around him, what would the average attendance at the K be this summer?

I legitimately think that if you added Stanton to a contender, you're looking at 30,000 + at every home game. This town is starving for a young superstar who hits long home runs, IMO. They could market the hell out of him.

I'd send them Cain, Ventura, Mondesi, and 2 other low-level prospects for Stanton.

Ok, back to reality.

what if they signed Geno Smith? Then what would the attendance be?

teedubya · 05-04-2013, 11:49 AM

Are we going to get some ****ing baseball in today? I'm Jonesing.

SPchief · 05-04-2013, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by teedubya

Are we going to get some ****ing baseball in today? I'm Jonesing.

They're gonna get it in, but it's gonna be miserable to be there. I have tickets that I'm gonna be trading in.

Prison Bitch · 05-04-2013, 11:51 AM

Attendance doesn't matter to payroll anymore. It's all TV. And Glass signed a horrible TV extension. We're in trouble and that's why Dayton decided to go all-in the next two years. Because the 5 years after will be slash & burn cheap payrolls.

nychief · 05-04-2013, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by SPchief

They're gonna get it in, but it's gonna be miserable to be there. I have tickets that I'm gonna be trading in.

is it still shitty there today?

SPchief · 05-04-2013, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by nychief

is it still shitty there today?

It's cold and cloudy, but I don't think it's gonna rain/snow.

**Bowser** · 05-04-2013, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Attendance doesn't matter to payroll anymore. It's all TV. And Glass signed a horrible TV extension. We're in trouble and that's why Dayton decided to go all-in the next two years. Because the 5 years after will be slash & burn cheap payrolls.

Yeah, that deal Glass signed was just ****ing awful.

Nightfyre · 05-04-2013, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

I wouldn't trade anything of real value for David DeJesus. Something like Jason Adam + JC Gutierrez is as far as I would go there. A C prospect and a lotto guy. If Epstein wants more... screw him.

For Utley... I think you can do that for a guy who is a fringe top 100 prospect and some extra pieces.

Something like:
Orlando Calixte (he has to start hitting better at NWA for this to work)
Gio/Colon (whichever one they like... guy that is close to the majors, has some upside and can give them everyday play at 2B pretty much right away)
Chris Dwyer

That woud be a pretty fair package, I think, and it's a better one than they received for Pence.

Why trade for Dejesus, though? We can move Dyson into Center and shift Cain into Right if we want to platoon a lefty bat in. Or call up David Lough. Sure they're not power bats, but they are extremely productive speed bats.

12-11-2012, 09:59 AM
duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $1840308	2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise. Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk. At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor. Burning questions updates below. Burning Questions for 2013: 1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation? Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory. 2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door? Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster. 3) Does Hosmer bounce back? Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far. 4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012? Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go. 5) Who regresses? Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years. 6) Who plays 2B? Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it. 7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level? Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha 8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014? Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014. 9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse? Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before. 10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers? Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it? Last edited by duncan_idaho; 07-15-2013 at 10:01 AM..
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