Chiefs Did you over-react to the work of Casshole? - Page 16

B_Ambuehl · 12-20-2010, 10:40 AM

Against Seattle and Arizona?

From reading this board it sounds like Cassell just won the MVP trophy, but when I look at his stats for the last 2 football games this is what I find:

Denver: 17-31 196 1-0
St Louis: 15-29 184 1-1

That's barely 50% completion percentage against 2 shitty football teams WITH an outstanding running game behind him.

When I look at his record I don't think he's won a football game when he didn't get at least 140 rushing yards to support him.

The fact is Seattle and Arizona can make anybody look good. Hell, Alex Smith went for ~300 yds and 3 TDs last week vs Seattle.

At some point Casshole's gonna have to prove he can win a football game by himself without much of a running game against a good defense playing coverage. Opposing teams routinely sell out on the run when they face us. When you're only completing ~50% of your passes vs the kind of coverage he's been getting I think there are legitimate questions whether he's capable of doing that.

"But casshole is so tough and he's become a leader blah blah blah". ****ing trent dilfer was tough and a leader too. Doesn't make him a good QB. Hell, Tim Tebow's tough and a leader. Doesn't make him an NFL player.

Flame away.

B_Ambuehl · 01-09-2011, 07:22 PM

LOL

Casshole vs the 'Fade: 11-33 115 yds 0 TD 2 INT
Casshole vs the Ravens: 9-18 70 yds 0 TD 3 INT

He's still failed to do anything when the football team didn't dominate on the ground and in addition to his piss poor stats there are a multitude of other times he's held onto the ball for eternity, taken bad sacks, and been called for bad intentional grounding penalties.

We're now in the worst case scenario. No doubt he's not the answer but there's also little doubt he'll be around another year.

milkman · 01-09-2011, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl

LOL

Casshole vs the 'Fade: 11-33 115 yds 0 TD 2 INT
Casshole vs the Ravens: 9-18 70 yds 0 TD 3 INT

He's still failed to do anything when the football team didn't dominate on the ground and in addition to his piss poor stats there are a multitude of other times he's held onto the ball for eternity, taken bad sacks, and been called for bad intentional grounding penalties.

We're now in the worst case scenario. No doubt he's not the answer but there's also little doubt he'll be around another year.

I bet you feel vindicated and happier than shit since it apperas to you that you were right.

Good for you.

B_Ambuehl · 01-09-2011, 07:39 PM

Well, there were a few of us here who'd seen this movie before and knew how it ended.

I've said from the beginning of the year I'd rather do what's necessary to get a legitimate long term answer at QB than be stuck with a fraud for the next 2 years.

milkman · 01-09-2011, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl

Well, there were a few of us here who'd seen this movie before and knew how it ended.

I've said from the beginning of the year I'd rather do what's necessary to get a legitimate long term answer at QB than be stuck with a fraud for the next 2 years.

I'm not saying you're right dumbass.

I'm saying you think you're right, and that makes you happy.

Good for you.

You're happy because you believe you're right that the QB we have is not the right guy.

Nothing better than being (in your mind) right and having to wait even longer to take the next step as a team, huh?

**DeezNutz** · 01-09-2011, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

There's a lot of gray area, even for those like myself who admitted to hating the acquisition and his play for the majority of his time in KC. I'm sorry, when you post a QB rating of 14.6, and then claim you graded out "perfectly," I won't say positive things.

But even during this period, if he performed well, made a good throw, etc., I said so (usually in game threads).

So, back to the initial question. Again, this is too simplistic. Did I react rashly to the initial acquisition? Perhaps. Did I react rashly to his on-field play? I think a strong argument can be made for "no."

What might be my biggest mistake is that I claimed that "presence" and "football instincts" cannot be learned at the highest level. If Cassel continues his current trajectory, he will definitely prove me wrong.

Still waiting.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 01-09-2011, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ROR

He's the guy, there's no getting around it, the team plays better with him, so my MO is as follows:

Build Uber-Team to support him, take it as far as it can go, and pray, yes PRAY LIKE YOU'VE NEVER PRAYED BEFORE, that guy who comes after him is FINALLY high-round, franchise material.

Yep; think long-term.

Over/Out!

Stayin'....RIGHT HERE.

Wurd.

B_Ambuehl · 01-10-2011, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

I'm not saying you're right dumbass.

I'm saying you think you're right, and that makes you happy.

Good for you.

You're happy because you believe you're right that the QB we have is not the right guy.

Nothing better than being (in your mind) right and having to wait even longer to take the next step as a team, huh?

Funny. If that were true it would make me no different than Pioli. He would rather be right than have a decent QB, and this offseason should leave no doubt about that.

milkman · 01-10-2011, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl

Funny. If that were true it would make me no different than Pioli. He would rather be right than have a decent QB, and this offseason should leave no doubt about that.

No, it would only leave no doubt for you, and others that believe the same as you.

I absolutely believe he's moving forward with Cassel because, like me, he saw real progress and believes he can continue to grow.,

Sweet Daddy Hate · 01-11-2011, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

No, it would only leave no doubt for you, and others that believe the same as you.

I absolutely believe he's moving forward with Cassel because, like me, he saw real progress and believes he can continue to grow.,

I'll take that bet, because I have absolutely NO faith in him against legit competition.

B_Ambuehl · 01-11-2011, 10:59 AM

Against teams of .500 or better Cassel actually regressed from last year to this year. He always has sucked and always will.

B_Ambuehl · 09-27-2011, 11:20 AM

LOL. Time for a LOT of folks to come and get their fresh crow for dinner.

Pasta Little Brioni · 09-27-2011, 11:26 AM

Based off of your track record, this is like a monkey throwing feces against a wall and making "art".

brett · 09-27-2011, 11:32 AM

id still give cassole a chance to prove himself

**BigMeatballDave** · 09-27-2011, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by brett

id still give cassole a chance to prove himself

Dayze · 09-27-2011, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by PGM

Based off of your track record, this is like a monkey throwing feces against a wall and making "art".

don't bring Mikey Teutel into this.

12-20-2010, 10:40 AM
B_Ambuehl Veteran Join Date: Apr 2005 Casino cash: $9805405	Did you over-react to the work of Casshole? Against Seattle and Arizona? From reading this board it sounds like Cassell just won the MVP trophy, but when I look at his stats for the last 2 football games this is what I find: Denver: 17-31 196 1-0 St Louis: 15-29 184 1-1 That's barely 50% completion percentage against 2 shitty football teams WITH an outstanding running game behind him. When I look at his record I don't think he's won a football game when he didn't get at least 140 rushing yards to support him. The fact is Seattle and Arizona can make anybody look good. Hell, Alex Smith went for ~300 yds and 3 TDs last week vs Seattle. At some point Casshole's gonna have to prove he can win a football game by himself without much of a running game against a good defense playing coverage. Opposing teams routinely sell out on the run when they face us. When you're only completing ~50% of your passes vs the kind of coverage he's been getting I think there are legitimate questions whether he's capable of doing that. "But casshole is so tough and he's become a leader blah blah blah". ****ing trent dilfer was tough and a leader too. Doesn't make him a good QB. Hell, Tim Tebow's tough and a leader. Doesn't make him an NFL player. Flame away.
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01-09-2011, 07:22 PM	#226
B_Ambuehl Veteran Join Date: Apr 2005 Casino cash: $9805405	LOL Casshole vs the 'Fade: 11-33 115 yds 0 TD 2 INT Casshole vs the Ravens: 9-18 70 yds 0 TD 3 INT He's still failed to do anything when the football team didn't dominate on the ground and in addition to his piss poor stats there are a multitude of other times he's held onto the ball for eternity, taken bad sacks, and been called for bad intentional grounding penalties. We're now in the worst case scenario. No doubt he's not the answer but there's also little doubt he'll be around another year. __________________ Who's decision was it to fire Romeo" - Coleman C Hunt: "It was my decision but it was one that Scott agreed with" LOL
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01-09-2011, 07:39 PM	#228
B_Ambuehl Veteran Join Date: Apr 2005 Casino cash: $9805405	Well, there were a few of us here who'd seen this movie before and knew how it ended. I've said from the beginning of the year I'd rather do what's necessary to get a legitimate long term answer at QB than be stuck with a fraud for the next 2 years. __________________ Who's decision was it to fire Romeo" - Coleman C Hunt: "It was my decision but it was one that Scott agreed with" LOL
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01-11-2011, 10:59 AM	#235
B_Ambuehl Veteran Join Date: Apr 2005 Casino cash: $9805405	Against teams of .500 or better Cassel actually regressed from last year to this year. He always has sucked and always will. __________________ Who's decision was it to fire Romeo" - Coleman C Hunt: "It was my decision but it was one that Scott agreed with" LOL
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09-27-2011, 11:20 AM	#236
B_Ambuehl Veteran Join Date: Apr 2005 Casino cash: $9805405	LOL. Time for a LOT of folks to come and get their fresh crow for dinner. __________________ Who's decision was it to fire Romeo" - Coleman C Hunt: "It was my decision but it was one that Scott agreed with" LOL
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09-27-2011, 11:26 AM	#237
Pasta Little Brioni Consuming CP souls Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: U.S.A. Casino cash: $4028880	Based off of your track record, this is like a monkey throwing feces against a wall and making "art". __________________ **Official TFWdemB Trivia Commisioner**
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09-27-2011, 11:32 AM	#238
brett Banned Join Date: Sep 2011 Casino cash: $10004900	id still give cassole a chance to prove himself
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